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Monkey Fundamentalism

04/25/05

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Monkey Fundamentalism

I recently read two guys pontificating on the future of fundamentalism, which they think is bleak. (And I am touched by their optimism.) One guy said that what fundamentalism needed was more culture, the other said that a fundamentalism “worth saving” needed to be more serious about meaning.

Ya think?!

Fundamentalism has a culture, and fundamentalists have been glibly sermonizing about meaning for quite some time. But now that that culture is not sufficiently enticing, and as the movement’s political force is waning, some are casting about for something more attractive. The bumpkin clergy is on the prowl for better threads. So let us remind ourselves of some basic truths.

You can dress a monkey in a well-fitting suit and put an invitation in his pocket, but you will not get a delightful dinner guest. He will invariably use the wrong fork and still won't add sparkle to the conversation. Culture is not something you put on and button up, it is something that shapes your life; it constrains your thinking, it furnishes your intellectual life, it forms your sensibilities, it orders your tastes. This is not something a Bible college student is going to pick up with a Sunday afternoon trip to hear a local community orchestra pops concert. One afternoon at the Met is not going to undo the damage done by years of the Grand Ole Opry.

As I say, fundamentalism has a culture. It is the culture of J. Frank Norris in sending a congratulatory telegram to Benito Mussolini on his rise to power, June 4, 1931:

“Liberty loving Americans one hundred percent with you in fight against ecclesiastical tyranny.”

Here is a culture worth saving: bizarre political alignments for the sake of expediency, and a nice bit of documentation for some high-brow anti-Catholicism. J. Frank's reputation is legendary, and not just for his overseas correspondence. This is the stuff of culture.

Fundamentalism has a culture. Visit the summer cottage of the great Billy Sunday, look at the walls covered with autographed publicity photos of the celebrities of the day. And when I say “covered walls” I am not being poetic, I mean walls, end to end, ceiling to chair rail.

Fundamentalism has a culture. Read through the doggerel in Majesty Hymns. Here was a segment of fundamentalism railing against pop culture in the church for years. They published a hymnbook (78 years after their founding, incidentally), and this is one of the contributions we get from the editor himself:

Jesus loves me, He’s my Friend;
Of His mercy there’s no end.
On His goodness I depend;
Jesus loves me, He’s my Friend.

Jesus keeps me, He’s my Friend;
Of His kindness there’s no end.
On His power I depend;
Jesus keeps me, He’s my Friend.

That is on page 519, in case you want the haunting melody he and his wife produced.

Fundamentalism has a culture. Watch Christian television, browse a Christian bookstore, listen to Christian radio preachers. Notice those Lawrence Welk Show stage smiles and the unctuous gestures of your gospel crooners. This is your culture. And you think by an act of the will you are going to produce a more likable culture? To say such a thing betrays an ignorance of what culture is. It is not decoration, it is not adornment, it is not ornamentation. It is not a sappy song with a trill at the end.

Culture is formative, it is determinative, it is conclusive, it is decisive.

You cannot put on a new culture ready made. You must wait for the grass to grow to feed the sheep to give the wool out of which your new coat will be made. You must pass through many centuries of barbarism. We should not live to see the new culture, nor would our great-great-great-grandchildren: and if we did, not one of us would be happy in it.
[T. S. Eliot, Notes toward the Definition of Culture]

And we shall never see a fundamentalism worth saving: fundamentalists were the philistines that destroyed what culture we had. We'd just as soon ask Goliath for tips on building the Temple.

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1 Trackback from: personal trainer [Visitor]
Just Stuff (4.26.05)
Religious conservatives are turning up the heat on judicial nominees:
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2 Trackback from: Kara Ministries Weblog [Visitor]
Web Watch: Monkey Fundamentalism
Remonstrans.com has some insightful and telling comments about the culture of fundamentalism. Worth a read. Hat tip: Joel at Unknowing....
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3 Comment from: Greg Linscott [Visitor] · http://www.SharperIron.org
"dissidens,"

What do you propose as the alternative? The problems of Modern Evangelicalism?

For every J. Frank Norris, men like [url=http://chi.gospelcom.net/DAILYF/2003/02/daily-02-16-2003.shtml]Bob Ketcham[/url] (who recieved untold abuse and ridicule from Norris, BTW) have been manifold. Can you pick out flaws in this wide and varied movement? Sure. But there are many gems as well that can be found without a great deal of effort.
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4 Comment from: jon [Visitor] · http://getnewhope.blogs.com/personal_trainer/
There are pockets of resistance...
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5 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
What alternative do I propose? Well, it’s hard to know what you mean by “modern evangelicalism”, that phrase includes an awful lot of people, including fundamentalists.

Hannah Arendt once said: “Those who choose the lesser evil forget quickly they choose evil.”

I propose we do not choose evil.

I have heard men who tolerate nonsense from their colleagues say, “Well, he erred on the side of the angels”, and wink at the misbehavior driven by high motives. This is rubbish. I don’t even know what it means to sin on the side of the angels; the angels I care about don’t sin much.

Not only is it rubbish, it is pernicious. It is why evangelicalism is in the state it’s in. It is hardly a remedy to leave one band of yahoos to join another. It is this parochial, this tribal attitude that has gotten us where we are, and it is this parochial and tribal attitude that culture is intended to help us transcend.

I believe that a cultivated life is the only life for good men, and that ought to include Christians. How are we helped in our flight from Mapplethorpe and Serrano only to be welcomed in the arms of Frank Garlock? One debases our view of sex, the other debases our view of God. While one might be less offensive to you than the other, neither is cultured.

I value culture. That means rejecting all that is not good, true and beautiful. That means rejecting the cornball liturgy of the fundamentalists. We are called to worship him who dwelleth in inapproachable light, and in those moments Mr. Garlock has nothing useful to say. And I am not frustrated to learn that Amy Grant doesn’t either.
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6 Comment from: Ryan [Visitor]
Remonstrans, who are you? You know us very well; it seems we have lived together, maybe even married, but are not estranged. Wherefore dost thou speak?
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7 Comment from: jon [Visitor] · http://getnewhope.blogs.com/personal_trainer/
Dissidens...you need to frequent our neck of the woods more often...
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8 Comment from: Greg Linscott [Visitor] · http://www.SharperIron.org
Is Garlock evil, or simple? I would submit that the song lyrics, intended for children, are terribly incomplete, but are intended as introductory. How would "Jesus Loves Me" stand under the same scrutiny? Do you propose throwing it out as well?
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9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Is Garlock evil, or simple?

It is a good question to ask, so let’s ask it of ourselves. First let me reply to the last question: “Jesus Loves Me” stands up very well. Even Karl Barth--though this may be faint praise for a fundamentalist--loved the song. I tend to agree.

“Jesus Loves Me” is a) true, and b) it is serious; it trivializes nothing. It is a song that addresses the legitimate awareness of children. That is: I know that Jesus Loves me because I find that fact in revelation; God loves children as well as parents, and I know religious faith is the stuff of childhood as well as adulthood; and where I am weak, I have a strong God.

I’d like to know where the song can be faulted. Simplicity is not a fault, trivialization is.

If Garlock’s example does not make the point for you, let me illustrate with an exaggeration:

God is here, God is there;
God, in fact is everywhere.
Up your nose, between your toes,
He dwells within your garden hose.

Most of us would call that blasphemy. It is theologically true and blasphemous. If God exists everywhere, he exists everywhere, including silly and small places. But compare my doggerel to Psalm 139. David succeeds; I fail.

And this gets us back to the point at the beginning: this is what culture is supposed to do for us. Shakespeare does not exist to give us apt quotations to decorate our speech. Shakespeare exists to shape the way we think rightly about our existence. It does absolutely no good, (as we learned to our detriment from Modernism) to speak glibly about a God of love, and then to insinuate our trivial notions about “luv”. God, in fact, loves us so much he is willing to destroy us rather than let us be filthy forever, as Isaiah and St. John point out.

Is Garlock evil or simple? My answer is, there is a simplicity that is evil. There is a simplicity that when nested in a shallow liturgy produces in our hearts an idolatry.

As Calvin said, the human heart is a factory of idols. The worshipper does not need help in trivializing our God.


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10 Comment from: Greg Linscott [Visitor] · http://sharperiron.org
Doggedly persisting...
I read in the Bible of Jesus love;
It tells of His love full and free.
His death on the cross takes away my sin;
I know Jesus loves even me.


This is verse one (of four) of Garlock's song, apparently left out of MH. Thought it might help to see that there is a context to what the man wrote.

I understand there are objectionable elements to "cultural fundamentalism." However, there have been poorly written and constructed hymns and songs in every generation- and eventually, they are winnowed out from common usage by the church. Isaac Watts wrote several hymns we don't sing regularly today, nor did generations past. There will always be a refining process. 78 years (your figure) is a relatively short time historically to claim the birth, life, and death of an idea due to a few extreme examples of people who claimed to embrace the idea but were in the end concerned more with shameless self-promotion and egocentricty than lifting the cross of Christ for all to see.

There is still time to purge out the leaven.
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11 Comment from: Ryan [Visitor]
Greg,

I am not sure why you defend Garlock so ardently.
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12 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Persist as you will, I shall not relent.

The point is not about the banality of one of Garlock’s songs, it is about the inferiority of them all. It is about the entire collection in his hymnal. Compare it to the great German hymnody, the great English hymnody. Compare it to the Lutheran Hymnal and the Moravian Hymnal, and I’ll even throw in the contributions of the Presbyterian hymnists.

Compare it to the Psalms.

I do not care about Mr. Garlock and Mr. Garlock’s enemies any more than I care about J. Frank Norris and his enemies or Billy Sunday and his enemies. How soon we have descended into these tribal loyalties in our discussion of culture! I have cited small evidences which are typical of the whole: the political aberrations of fundamentalism, the fascination with celebrity of fundamentalism, and the cultural mediocrity of fundamentalism.

We were speaking about fundamentalist culture, if you recall. Take the good and bad work of Paul Gerhard alone and set it on one side of the scale. On the others side set all of the good and bad works of all the BJ contributors: faculty, staff and alumni. Did you notice the needle did not even wiggle? That is what I mean.

Consider the culture that produced men like Pierre Abelard, Bernard of Cluny, William Cowper, Frederick Faber, Paul Gerhard, Thomas Hasting, Jeanne Motte-Guyon, John Milton, John Newton, Christina Rossetti, Tersteegen, Watts, Wesley and Zinzendorf. How far do I need to go?

This is not about individual people we may like or dislike. This is about the ability of fundamentalists to produce a meaningful culture in which to shepherd the flock, and about fundamentalist’s credibility when they speak about what is good and true and beautiful.

You may well hope that time will winnow out the chaff. Do you accord the neo-evangelical sludge pump the same courtesy?

I suspect you do not.

When we get to Heaven and meet David, Isaiah, Micah and even Mary, and they invite us to a poetry reading? Let’s agree to wear bags over our heads.
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13 Comment from: Threnus [Visitor]
Consider one Sardonis.

Sardonis knows fundamentalism. Sardonis grew to young manhood in a fundamentalist home. He sat under the preaching of a fundamentalist celebrity, David Otis Fuller. He acquired learning in rhetoric at a state university, then attended a fundamentalist seminary in Chicago (simultaneously exercising himself by the pulpit ministry of A. W. Tozer). Over the next decades he evangelized Hatians, taught in a Keswick college, pastored two fundamentalist churches, secured a doctorate from a fundamentalist seminary in Texas, and gave the greater part of his ministry to teaching in fundamentalist colleges and seminaries.

Because Sardonis knows fundamentalism, he holds no illusions. He distrusts fundamentalist institutions, administrations, and especially boards, which he sometimes compares to turkey farms. He grieves over the lack of piety within fundamentalism. During his fourscore years he has observed the long decline of the fundamentalist movement. Nearing the end of his mortal journey, he has revolted against the fundamentalist trivialization of the Faith and given himself to preaching the Word to a handful of congregants.

Sardonis is equally at home listening to a Bach passion or a military tattoo. He reads Shakespeare, though he will not watch Shakespeare being performed. He knows Weaver and Kirk and Eliot. He recruits students to read them. He despises those versions of fundamentalism that pride themselves upon the rejection of learning, beauty, goodness, and meaning.

Over the years he has never made peace with fundamentalism, but neither has he ever it. He has contented himself with planting spiritual and intellectual time-bombs in the minds of his students. Some of them despise him for his rigidity, his idiosyncrasies, and his bluntness. Others of them have been taken with his ideas and consider him to be one of the best and brightest men they have ever known.

If Sardonis set out to rescue fundamentalism, then his ministry must be judged a failure. He knows as we do that the fundamentalism of our day is worse than the fundamentalism of his youth. Has he wasted his life?

How, O Dissidens, do you judge Sardonis? If we could find him a suit, would he be worthy to sit at your table? for he, too, is a fundamentalist.
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14 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
I know Sardonis.

Sardonis is not hypothetical--for you librarians, shelve this under biography, not fiction. (And for our readers who may think this is an epistolary device, I assure you it is not. This is a serious question asked about the life of a real person.)

Sardonis has tossed a few time-bombs into my consciousness; it was he that not only required us to read Weaver, when the college bookstore informed us that the book was out of print, he loaned me his copy to read. (The book, apropos of this conversation was “Ideas Have Consequences”.) For thirty-five years Sardonis has been whispering to me over open books and in perplexed reflection.

Sardonis knows fundamentalism well. Indeed when I began my academic inquiries into the movement, it was an armful of his files that began my own foul caboodle. We literally read the same correspondence the fundamentalist movement shamelessly vomited up. So take to heart the gravity of the question.

Sardonis spoke once at the foot of the Rockies, explaining how Christian churches and service organizations could have been so easily and so quickly overcome by Modernism. He described the natural love that humans have for their institutions, especially large ones. I think he was correct. The sad part is that the fundamentalists who did break away took that love with them.

Sardonis has been a part of some of those institutions, a couple of them repeatedly. I wish you could savor my anguish in reading “Over the years he has never made peace with fundamentalism, but neither has he ever [left or abandoned, I presume] it.” I have seen these institutions savage him and his peers. He probably would not put it that strongly, but I do. It is a princely evil when a religious institution trades on the sacred commitments of its employees. Which brings me to my answer.

Sardonis was right in not trying to “rescue fundamentalism”. I believe that Sardonis ought to be our model in this. What he did was what our Lord did when his disciples pointed out to him the glories of the Temple, whatever the Aramaic word is for “pfffffft”.



"How, O Dissidens, do you judge Sardonis? If we could find him a suit, would he be worthy to sit at your table? for he, too, is a fundamentalist."

It really does not matter how I judge Sardonis, I am merely a fellow-sufferer. All this will be resolved to my satisfaction when we all sit at a very large table with a Host lifting his first cup of wine after far too long a time. But if you insist on an opinion for the sake of this discussion, I judge Sardonis to be a saint living amongst brutes, unforgetful of the value of a human soul, careful of the fragility of the redeemed conscience, interested that there be a mind behind every sacred desk, and a lover of the good, the true and the beautiful. These he did not get from fundamentalism, these, I suspect, sustained him through fundamentalism.

Sardonis, as he has in the past, would have the place of honor at my table. He would need neither a suit nor an invitation to be a guest of mine. The colleagues of Sardonis can go to McDonald’s.
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15 Comment from: Ryan [Visitor]
From my limited knowledge, my guess is that Sardonis was quite the canDel, nay?
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16 Comment from: Joel [Visitor]
If brighter people thought to draw a veil over it, why would you think of tearing it aside Ryan?
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17 Comment from: Trenus [Visitor]
Dissidens,

1 Kings 2:14.

Send an email. You know where. I do not.
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18 Comment from: Ryan [Visitor]
Yes, that was pretty lousy of me.
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19 Comment from: Neoclassical [Visitor]
Dissidens and Trenus,

Luke 24:32 (ASV) "And they said one to another, Was not our heart burning within us, while he spake to us in the way, while he opened to us the scriptures?"

Your deep-seated piety and love for truth is an inspiration to our souls.
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20 Comment from: Joel [Visitor]
I'd hate to be implicated in effusive sentimentality by Neo's "our".
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21 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Hatred noted.
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22 Comment from: Ryan [Visitor]
I'm with Joel on this one, Neoclassical. You sound like a woman.
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23 Comment from: Neoclassical [Visitor]
Hey!
Don't trivialize my genuine expression of admiration for love for true piety, and just take it as that.
If you don't want to identify with me, you don't have to. I didn't specify who the "us" included.
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24 Comment from: Neoclassical [Visitor]
Since my post was vague (my fault) and has been misunderstood, let me clarify.
I know Sardonis, and I have greatly admired his meekness. It is the striving to fight for truth and grieving over the lack thereof, that greatly inspires me. This is what I was admiring. I also do not know whether it is best to stay in or come out, but I can identify with the struggle. That is what caused my "effusion of sentimentality" as some have called it, but is was meant to be genuine, not trivial.

And...just for the record, you, Ryan, also sound like a woman sometimes. [Are all emotions relegated exclusively to women?]
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25 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
No clarification necessary. The comment was well-taken.
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26 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
My apologies to someone. I tried to reply to one of you and ended up crashing through someone's host block. I fear he may not recover.

Which leaves me ignoring the person who wanted to contact me.
I can be reached at dissidens@remonstrans.com
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27 Trackback from: Kara Ministries Weblog [Visitor]
Bad Hymns: Whose Fault?
There has been a lot of talk in the blogsphere lately about the lack of new hymns that come anywhere near the quality and depth of those of Cluny, Cowper, Gerhardt, Watts, etc. Even John MacArthur recognizes this problem --...
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28 Comment from: kamelda [Visitor] · http://www.kamelda78.blogspot.com/
Well this discussion appears to be pretty much all over; but I have a question: what if fundamentalism pared itself back to the solas of the reformation, to the basic evangelical doctrines expressed in the orthodox creeds of church history, to the unity of all those who hold to such doctrines, and to ecclesiastical separation (practiced in accordance with Scriptural discipline, with a view to reinstating defective body parts, not just hacking off limbs) from those who do not, including the Schismatics who want to make orthodoxy out of orthopraxy. Wouldn't the fundamentalists necessarily have to drop a great deal of their culture? I mean, doesn't the cheapo culture come in by way of trying to have our own "spiritual" versions of "worldy" things, because we have made doctrines of the commandments of men? And so we cheapen reality altogether, and end up with a cartoon Aslan. (or in many cases, no Aslan at all: I wasn't allowed to read Lewis growing up.) If fundamentalism really could pare itself back to a doctrinal basis, wouldn't a lot of the culture get pared off with it? There are a lot of people starting to talk about this: are you ready to hack off, without any attempt to reinstate, a limb that is starting to cry out for help...? Isn't that a bit parochial of you? (I mean that honestly, not to be disengenuous) Even schismatic? Are we going to make an orthopraxy out of the ridicule of Frank Garlock (however much I refuse to sing his songs)? And if we are-- what organization are we cherishing, that we have to carve off some part of Christ's body? (You know, the one for which He died...) Sure it may look more aesthetic. But is that primarily what Christ is concerned with? Lewis said that every movement contains the seeds of its own destruction. Isn't that one of them...?
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29 Comment from: kamelda [Visitor] · http://www.kamelda78.blogspot.com/
I was trying to find this article earlier for reference and suddenly just did:
http://www.sharperiron.org/showthread.php?t=563

Oh, and just for the record :-) if I sound like a woman it's because I am...
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30 Comment from: Mal [Visitor]
As far as I can tell, most here seem to be students or outside malcontents. Truly I feel your angst. But, if you will indulge me, try being a player inside the machinery of that misnomer laden movement.

You work for a pithy wage always being told that you must have faith – all the while the administration exercises little, if any, faith. You watch as men rise on their perceived entrepreneurial adroitness (perceived as such because of the rather parochial attitude found within the ranks) rather than their spiritual acumen. You put up with their short sighted naiveté and their bombastic barrage of self-absorbing self-importance. They try to press you into their Christian schools. This is the oxymoron of the century. These schools have gymnasiums that outstrip their libraries - if they have one (book, that is). It becomes quite clear that we are feeding egos instead of souls. They raise crop after crop of quite healthy barbarians. What’s worse is that some of these same barbarian sharecroppers don’t believe in the basics of procreative stewardship. At every meeting of the assembly, your family sticks out like Amish folk at a state fair; admired for an excellent performance but despised for attempting an excellent life. Your children practice on two musical instruments for two hours a day and they have to answer questions like “why don’t you have Xbox or PS2?” All this comes from people who supposedly hold to a revelation that requires a different set of affections.

Indeed, I believe dissidens has written appropriately. Fundamentalism has a culture and it is the culture of ignorant barbarism.
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