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Little Brown Church in the Wasteland

11/11/05

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Little Brown Church in the Wasteland

From T.S. Eliot’s essay, The Social Function of Poetry.


Much has been said everywhere about the decline of religious belief; not so much notice has been taken of the decline of religious sensibility. The trouble of the modern age is not merely the inability to believe certain things about God and man which our forefathers believed, but the inability to feel towards God and man as they did. A belief in which you no longer believe is something which to some extent you can still understand; but when religious feeling disappears, the words in which men have struggled to express it becomes meaningless. It is true that religious feeling varies naturally from country to country, and from age to age, just as poetic feeling does; the feeling varies, even when the belief, the doctrine remains the same. But this is a condition of human life, and what I am apprehensive of is death.

We are asked if there might be a Bernard or a Hildebrand in our midst. The answer is simple: No. There are no Bernards, there are no Hildebrands, there are no Bachs and there are no Mendelssohns. Those men were not the fruit of a single season or a recent rain, and we are not going to produce them in a summer, even with genetic modification.

The poets of our past were shaped by a culture which transmitted these feelings to them and to their audience. In fact, it wouldn’t matter if there were Bernards and Hildebrands; who would they speak to? Their audience is dead. Who would they speak to? The men who choose our hymns for Sunday mornings? The men who publish our hymnbooks? The men who croon for our children?

A culture does not exist in libraries, it exists in readers. The Celestial City does not live on paper, it lives in the imagination of saints.

We already have the works of Bernard, Hildebrand and Bach. We have stacks and stacks of great liturgy. We do not sing them. We object to singing them because that would be elitist. We object to singing them because we cannot relate to them. We object to singing them because the people we want to coax into our churches cannot relate to them. [And clearly, Bernard, Hildebrand and Bach are not important enough that we should see to it that Christians are taught to value them.] We now believe that Bernard and Milton have nothing to say; we believe Third Day and The Joy Quartet are better voices to convey our feelings of piety.

We chose to ignore our poets. We have now descended to the point where we laugh at what they do. We watch football because that helps us to “relate to our people”.

You want Christian sensibility? Try this:

There’s a church in the valley by the wildwood,
No lovelier spot in the dale;
No place is so dear to my childhood,
As the little brown church in the vale.

How sweet on a clear, Sabbath morning,
To list to the clear ringing bell;
Its tones so sweetly are calling,
Oh, come to the church in the vale.

There, close by the church in the valley,
Lies one that I loved so well;
She sleeps, sweetly sleeps, ’neath the willow,
Disturb not her rest in the vale.

From the church in the valley by the wildwood,
When day fades away into night,
I would fain from this spot of my childhood
Wing my way to the mansions of light.

Look at it! This is a place dear to his childhood, the place where a bell rings sweetly, a grave under a willow, and, finally, (sniffle, sniffle) a place to die.

Can I get a hanky over here?

In two days I will attend a church with some lovely Thomas Kinkade paintings in the vestibule, and a choir will gently rock as it sings to me of the Almighty. I may even take a pillow.

Mr. Eliot could have jotted down notes for his essay while sitting in our churches.

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3 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Truncate the URL: http://weblog.wordcentered.org will get you there for now.
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4 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
Dissidens:

I know, we have been down this road and covered this territory a long while ago. We have replaced godly sentiment with banal sentimentality. I grew up passing by THE Little Brown Church in Nashua, IA. My paternal grandparents farmed not far from there and my maternal grandparents where married in that building. I refrain from calling it a church for it is not. My paternal grandparents, however, attended a small Baptist church some 10 miles away. One that traces its history back 150 years. It was a church that at one time understood something of the Christian tradition, but these sentiments had been overtaken by some of the more philistine forms of revivalism. By the time I was old enough to understand what was going on in the church, there was an odd mix of both orthodox Christian tradition and evangelical revivalism. We would sing a solemn doxology. Dress and manners within the confines of the church were measured with reverence. Scripture reading and prayer were focal points of the service in which the whole congregation participated in a unified manner. The preaching service smacked of revivalism, but the church people treated it like God himself was speaking, regardless of the Billy Sunday-like antics. I got just a whiff of this orthodoxy, but it was gone in a few short years. Another pastor who was more youthful came to "reach the community for Christ." Enough said...

I have tried to understand and get a sense of that same early devotion by reading a few books (perhaps more than a few). The first thing that strikes me is its alien vintage. The second thing that hits me is the fact that there are huge portions of what I am reading that I cannot even understand fully because the forms fo thought associated with what I'm reading have been totally lost. Parts of conversations are totally missing due to neglect. The whole melieu, for undestanding still other portions of the conversation, no longer exists. I am convinced that, to a certain degree, this melieu and conversation that is missing began somewhere around Abraham, was significantly enhanced in the writings of the Torah, and adorned beautfully by King David. One thing I still wonder, how much of this been flushed by the time Bernard and Hildebrand came on the scene? Perhaps, they too only had a whiff of cultural orthodoxy. Perhaps their whiff was a bit stronger or their imagination not quite so dulled as ours; but I would venture a guess that even at this time there was some loss. It will take 100's of years to reproduce a culture similar to the one or ones we have lost. Oh well...

It is interesting that when I assign primary sources to graduated students like The Celestial Hierarch, Cur Deus Homo, Augustine's Confessions, or Wyclif's Universalibus; I get a bunch of blank looks and evidence of a complete lack of imagination. Not only do they not understand it; they passionately dislike it. They only put up with it for the grade, justifying their patience in the same way my six year old boy did while visiting the Oriental Museum at the University of Chicago - "This is cool Dad, but can we go back to the zoo?"

I take that your perscription for the current situation is to fully admit our loss and even recognize our inability to fully appreciate this loss. We must start with simplicity and begin to reestablish a culture that, if the Lord tarries, will not begin to look anyhing like Bernard, Hildebrand or Bach for 100's of years. The question is, what do we do with the wreck on our doorstep.

ex
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5 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
If you will indulge one more musing...

It seems that theological modernism kept the forms of orthodoxy (that is what you pick up in this song)but gutted the interior truth of these forms and replaced it with liberalism. Fundamentalism did the opposite, it burned the forms while trying to keep the interior truth. Thus, it lost its means to adequately and appropriately live and communicate that truth. It is sort of like trying to keep the milk, while discarding the carton.

Just a thought, and not a particularly bright one at that.

ex
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6 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Alas, it is worse than you think.

That wreck on your doorstep is your culture. The point of Remonstrans is not to encourage an arts-craftsy, high-falutin' approach to liturgy or to identify superior museum pieces.

Your culture is what you feel. You do not feel about God and man as Augustine or Wyclif did, you only wish you did, or wish you could. As Eliot says, it is not what you believe, it is what you feel.

What you feel is what is on your doorstep; you want to throw that away too?

This is like our Black neighbors who think that if they hang a mask or two, learn a couple words in Swahili, wear certain print dresses, display red, green and black and celebrate Kwanzaa that they are celebrating their culture.

This produces tribalism, the very antithesis of culture. And this is exactly why evangelicalism has the tribal attitude it does, including and especially fundamentalism. They didn't get there by neglecting their statements of belief. They got there by failing to pass on proper feelings about God and man.
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7 Comment from: Curious George [Member] Email
There are no Bernards, there are no Hildebrands, there are no Bachs and there are no Mendelssohns. Those men were not the fruit of a single season or a recent rain, and we are not going to produce them in a summer, even with genetic modification.

The poets of our past were shaped by a culture which transmitted these feelings to them and to their audience. In fact, it wouldn't matter if there were Bernards and Hildebrands; who would they speak to? Their audience is dead. Who would they speak to?
Was there ever much of an audience for these poets? Bach's fame was spotty until Mendelssohn, and then we're already in middle of the 19th century and close to the Great Decline of Music, if I remember your previous posts correctly.

So why couldn't there be a present-day Bach (or to be safer let's say Mendelssohn), a genius under-appreciated in his own time. What would keep him from drawing from the works of the Masters?

Although he couldn't feel exactly what they felt, he could approximate it. After all, doesn't at least one of us have to approximate the feeling to know that it's lost to the rest of the world?
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8 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
"What you feel is what is on your doorstep; you want to throw that away too?"

Please, I don't intend to frustrate. My culture embraces idolatry, do you expect me to persist in that sin? Or, do you mean to tell me that I have no choice but to continue in that sin because of choices made by my forebears?

I understand the philosophe mentality and wish to avoid that as well. I know that the Cambridge of old cannot be rebuilt, but is there no benefit in reading the sages? Is the purpose of this blog to inform professing Christians (especially fundamentalists) that their disease is terminal and the only thing available is the paliative care provided by Drs. Garlock and Hamilton?
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9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Curious George:

Actually, that’s not quite true, Bach was quite famous, but as an organist, not a composer. Part of this is due to cultural differences and the perceptions of his peers. Bach was a backward-looking composer, gathering up the full potential of the Baroque and, like Beethoven who was a ground-breaker, may well be more important than their contemporaries were able to fairly judge.

It was also common in his day, when someone took a new position, just to toss out the stuff he found in the cupboards and start fresh. Some of my favorite music by Bach was rescued from a shop where it was stacked for use as butter wrapping.

I don’t see the connection between popularity and value, Mendelssohn didn’t make Bach a genius, he just recognized it and exposed it.

My point is not that today’s potential Bernards and Bachs would be (or wouldn’t be) anonymous, it’s that they don’t have a culture to produce them. Where would our Bernards and Bachs come from? A childhood spent on Sesame Street and listening to Uncle Charlie? By never becoming proficient on an instrument? That’s just not how it works.

(Not sure where you got the idea that I think mid-19th C. was the great decline in music. Maybe comments about Arnold and post-Civil War evangelicalism? At any rate, in those remarks I was speaking about the faith, not the Western tradition in music.)

As for your last question, I think you miss Eliot’s point. There is a very social function of culture, it does not just produce poets, it produces their audience. That is very, very important. As for the size of his audience, about four pages previous to the quote at the top of my post we read this:

It matters little whether a poet had a large audience in his own time. What matters is that there should always be at least a small audience for him in every generation.
This cannot be overstressed.

Art does not take place in a bumpkin’s basement. He a) works within an artistic context, a great river of meaning, a wealth of forms, and b) he addresses a real and existing audience.

Where is our audience today?

Seriously, I know people today who would like for things to be better. I know people who are working to make things better. Why don’t we have better? A poet deals in meaningful statements, we don’t conjure meaning out of thin air.

We have to ask ourselves, after we get the meaning we have to ask for whom?


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10 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
ex:

I believe we are confusing two different things.

I don’t want anyone to continue in what I honestly believe is idolatry. I think there are many people, including several locals, who think I am too extreme in that respect. I am all for tossing out our Singspiration and Celebration temples to personal happiness. Most people who grasp the problem think that their best prospect is education and a gradual weaning. They must work by the best light they have. I just disagree.

But we were talking about culture. Even if my most misanthropic desires were met, if every bad song were burned, if every radio station were burned down, if every gospel crooner were given a broom and assigned a street, that would solve nothing. We have had now, what, depending on how you slice the history, three? six? seven generations of deformed feelings about God and man.

Throwing out the poison does not feed the starving man. What will you give him to eat? Dry Wonder Bread and mystery tea?

As far as the purpose of the blog, I won’t speak for the others here, so I speak only for myself.

Evangelicalism is in a bad way, as we have repeated often. Evangelicals know it. As I’ve said, many books have been written, many articles, many sermons and lectures delivered. I think part of the reason we see no advance—and I admit that this is only part of the problem—is that each camp thinks that the decline can be attributed to an abandonment of its own cherished virtues. Ask the Reformed what the problem is. Ask the separatists what the problem is. Ask the seeker-church what the problem is. I think the real problem is anterior to all of their self-justifying guesses.

(I am all for a better understanding of the solas, I’m all for more separation, I’m all for a more coherent testimony to this generation, but we are not even accomplishing that.)

The reformed, the separatist, the accomodationist, the holiness—they all stand silent.

Pain is a sign that something is wrong with the body, ugliness is a sign that something is wrong with the soul. Where would we go to find what is meaningful? If we stack our songs, our sermons and our devotional literature up against those of the past, which group stands out as the peers of Tersteegen, Watts, Luther, Faber....

Let me offer a little experiment, so simple and yet illuminating.

Neither should we ordain young men as preachers, unless they have been well exercised in music.
---Martin Luther


Now go find a yearbook of any seminary, a membership list of any organization, FBF, GARB, ACCC, NTA, anything you want. Go down the list of names and check off the men who can even play a musical instrument. Does this tell us nothing?

I would like to think that Remonstrans is trying to direct attention to the fact that the problem is deeper than we suppose, and as I said before, if we misidentify the problem, what are the chances we will find a solution?
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11 Trackback from: Kara Ministries Weblog [Visitor]
Musically Illiterate Pastors
Someone who agrees with my challenge for Bible colleges and seminaries to insist upon musical education for men going into the ministry....
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12 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
Hey, we all learned to flap our arms in time to the music, didn't we?

I'm beginning to see some of your issue. My parents helped me abandon music. After I grew board with the pendantic methodologies of programmed instrumental curriculae, I took up using my trumpet to imitate a sub-machine gun while the band "director" was working with the clarinets (all girls, mind you). In addition to the 30-minute detention I receive, my parents cancelled my lessons on both piano and trumpet.

Odd, why didn't the same technique work in math or English? A huge void was the result of my own youthful stupidity. Everytime I hear good music, I am reminded of the sins of my youth. So, my catharsis is to try and get the best lessons for my children and rigorously enforce the discipline of music. Of course, I may go bankrupt or mad in the process; but I don't want them to have the same void of the soul with which I live.

Somethings you can't get back once lost.
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13 Comment from: todd mitchell [Member] Email · http://withtearsoppressed.blogspot.com/
I just came across this. We're so far gone that folks would bristle far more at singing the "Amen" after a hymn (the last measure in most hymns) than they would at the shirts advertised on this page:

http://www.coolfaith.com/store/class_detail.cfm?CLASS_ID=2
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14 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Yes indeed. Did you read their mission statement?

As I started wearing my shirts, I began to be more focused on my actions, because I knew everyone was able to not only read my beliefs (the shirts I was wearing) but more importantly see my actions.

Here again, the holy one of Israel, in whom we live and move and have our being did not cause him to examine his life. But wearing these shirts did.

How can there not be something profoundly wrong here? What does the term Pharisee connote?!
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15 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
Todd:

How appropriate! You know, you could even take that sailboat of yours and name it something tackily (no pun intended) Christian-like. That way you will be motivated to put your boat in the water more often, make sure it looks nice, and sail with a certain skill and deftness. You know, "Christians" at some of the marinas I've visited actually do this.

Wait! Eureka! How about the Jolly Roger??? Then everyone who is familiar with Patch the Pirate will know which lord you serve.
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16 Comment from: lilrabbi [Member] Email
...and they say the rabbit is silly!
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17 Comment from: erondil [Member] Email
In the midst of an onslaught of sickness and research papers, I have quite unexpectedly stumbled on one of those poems that one wants to read to someone else immediately. Given that I am in the library where people object to doing this, I thought those on remonstrans might appreciate it...and now, seeing that dissidens has been posting on Eliot and religious sentiment, I thought it might even be pertinent.

Come! out into the open, friend! True, today only a little gleam
Falls on us from above and the skies close us in.
Neither mountains nor tree-tops have broken through
As we wished and the air is empty of song.
It is dull, today, and the lanes and streets slumber and almost,
It seems to me, it is as in the age of lead.
And yet the wish triumphs, true believers doubt not
That the hour will come; the day remains desire's.
For the joy is not small of that which we have won from heaven
Which it refused and at the last freely gave his children.
Only that which is won is worth all the talk
And the steps and the trouble; and that the delectable is wholly true.
And so my hope is great that what is wished for
Begins and our tongue at last is loosed
And the word found and the heart opened
And from the drunken mind a higher contemplation springs.
There will begin with ours the blossoming of heaven;
The resplendent be open to the open eyes.

-----Hoelderlin

Now back to the Kleenexes and Aquinas and (hopefully, if I can stay awake tonight) Barfield.
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18 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
"The age of lead". I like that.
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19 Comment from: rev paul edgeworth [Visitor] Email
injoyed the site ther is realy no difference in people then and now just time and things are so much faster may GOD bless all of you
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20 Comment from: rev paul edgeworth [Visitor] Email
people are still the the same just that time is moving so much faster we dont have time to enjoy life like they did in the old days may GOD bless you
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