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J. Gresham, J. Frank, and Favorable Conditions

01/01/06

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J. Gresham, J. Frank, and Favorable Conditions

J. Gresham Machen died 69 years ago today. The circumstances of his life are instructive, and anyone who presumes to minister (or desires to minister) in the 21st Century should ponder them dispassionately.

John Gresham’s father, Arthur, was born in Virginia, attended Harvard and practiced law. His mother, Mary [Minnie] Gresham Machen, was born in Macon, Georgia, attended Wesleyan College, and in 1903 published a book entitled The Bible in Browning. John was raised with an appreciation for logic and classical literature; he traveled to Europe repeatedly and returned to live among the cultural elite of Baltimore. He attended Princeton and studied under Henry Van Dyke and Woodrow Wilson. He also studied banking and international law at the University of Chicago. He eventually went to study in Marburg and Gottingen under men like Adolph Jülicher, Johannes Weiss and Wilhelm Herrmann, a student of Ritschl.

John Franklyn Norris, on the other hand, was born in Dadeville, Alabama and moved to Texas where he carefully nurtured his baser passions and honed the skills necessary for shooting people. It is well known that a woman was not safe alone with the man. The same year Curtis Lee Laws coined the term Fundamentalist Norris began his ministry with a radio station in full support of the Ku Klux Klan. John Birch was a graduate of his seminary in Ft. Worth. Norris was so anti-Catholic that he congratulated Mussolini on his rise to power in Italy.

American orthodox Christianity seems to have teetered for a moment between those two poles and then made a hard, wrong turn.

We are repeatedly told that this fundamentalist movement commends itself to us because of its separatism, and the claim is wrong on two counts. First of all, J. Gresham was a separatist and refused to be known as a fundamentalist; those two terms were never coterminous, not even in the beginning. Second, fundamentalism failed to be separatist at the most elementary level; if a man could draw a crowd (and J. Frank knew how to draw a crowd) there was no separatist impulse to be found in the hall. The Texas Tornado pastored a church of 5,200, one of the mega-churches of the day, and that was enough. Fundamentalism’s separatism was always very selective and convenient. One would think that theological liberalism was the only threat to the human soul.

Machen vehemently rejected fundamentalism for several reasons. The movement lacked a historical perspective, it failed to appreciate the uses and virtues of culture and scholarship, it preferred (indeed I would suggest that it introduced to the Church) minimalist doctrines and encouraged a rowdy indifference to precise thought, thereby preparing the way for neo-evangelicalism’s hobbled gospels and religious enthusiasms.

[I recall during my own studies going through the letters of R. V. Clearwaters. His correspondent was pleading that the argument was not as simple as RVC was making it appear, and that fairness required a more even-handed presentation. Clearwaters replied to say that the situation had to be kept simple to ensure the eager following they needed.]

Chester E. Tulga wrote:

Fundamentalism today is a human movement with many Biblical truths, a gospel with a rather shallow doctrinal setting, influenced largely by many dominating and domineering personalities, and many eccentricities and careless Biblical interpretations. Its interdenominationalism is a curious mixture of truth, abbreviated Christianity, high-powered promotionalism and rugged individualists who have built personal empires that take in thousands of dollars and render no accounting to anyone. Fundamentalism is a very ambiguous word and hardly deserves the glorification accorded to it by the hard core brethren. It seldom includes the great Baptist doctrines which the hard core brethren profess to love so well, even though some of them never get around to practicing them.

Professing a love for something, like professing seriousness, is not something that fundamentalists seem to follow through on.

At this point I know a certain segment of our readership is suffering from mounting blood pressure and some even risk popping an eyeball. I can understand their apoplexy: nothing is easier and more common than gigging fundamentalism.

To these people, there is not a lot I have to say. They will yet again find a way to ignore the fact that I am quoting “the good guys”. As someone recently said, “Our history is well set.”

Indeed it is, indeed it is.

And whether you consider the salad days of the movement, its later hostilities toward neo-evangelicalism or its on-going contentiousness with other separatists (perhaps including the incipient neo-evangelicalism detected within Young Fundamentalism?), The Movement continues its tired habits. We even see it today on our blogs: the crack special forces of the movement lobbing duds over the wall and running for cover, seeking to hurl vague accusations about two-book theories and attempting to intimidate the young in the safety of calmer waters.

As I say, for these there is little hope. For the rest of our readers, we hope there is at least a moment of lucid, New Year’s reflection. Machen held firmly to a two-book theory. He wrote:

It is true that the decisive thing is the regenerative power of God. That can overcome all lack of preparation, and the absence of that makes even the best preparation useless. But as a matter of fact God usually exerts that power in connection with certain prior conditions of the human mind, and it should be ours to create, so far as we can, with the help of God, those favorable conditions for the reception of the gospel. False ideas are the greatest obstacles to the reception of the gospel.

Those prior conditions of the mind present an insuperable hurdle to the fundamentalist.

Whether we talk about the culture and liturgy of the movement, its hymnody and devotional literature, “creation science” with its many rubber doctorates and speculative defenses of Revelation, its statistical studies blarney, or its selective moral outrages, we are talking about a movement enamored with false ideas.

The movement is quite fond of its sauntering bumpkins in the pulpit, its pontificating rubes, its homespun twaddlers.... I understand this. Those were good days! The crowds were large, the backslapping was fervent and cash was flowing like wine. It’s hard to let go.

But listen to these words from Machen, delivered in an address 20 December 1912:

Modern culture is a mighty force. It is either subservient to the gospel or else it is the deadliest enemy of the gospel. For making it subservient, religious emotion is not enough, intellectual labor is also necessary. And that labor is being neglected. The Church has turned to easier tasks. And now she is reaping the fruits of her indolence. Now she must battle for her life.
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The Church is waiting for men of another type. Men to fight her battles and solve her problems. The hope of finding them is the one great inspiration of a Seminary’s life. They need not all be men of conspicuous attainments. But they must all be men of thought. They must fight hard against spiritual and intellectual indolence. Their thinking may be confined to narrow limits. But it must be their own. To them theology must be something more than a task. It must be a matter of inquiry. It must lead not to successful memorizing, but to genuine convictions.

The Church is puzzled by the world's indifference. She is trying to overcome it by adapting her message to the fashions of the day. But if, instead, before the conflict, she would descend into the secret place of meditation, if by the clear light of the gospel she would seek an answer not merely to the questions of the hour but, first of all, to the eternal problems of the spiritual world, then perhaps, by God’s grace, through His good Spirit, in His good time, she might issue forth once more with power, and an age of doubt might be followed by the dawn of an era of faith.

That was true in 1912, and today it cannot get any truer. The difference between then and now is this: you don’t have to take Machen’s word for it, you don’t have to take Tulga’s word for it, you don’t have to take dissidens’ word for it. We have nearly a hundred years worth of evidence to back it up. Look at what we have: nearly a century of clutching at false ideas and adaptation to the fad du jour. You cannot train for your whole life to become a sumo wrestler and then decide you want to be a jockey at the Preakness.

The history is indeed well set.

What remains to be discovered is whether the church will ever get those “men of another type” that Machen looked for, men of thought, men contemptuous of false ideas, men who have a care for the prior conditions of the human mind.

Selah.

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1 Comment from: Todd Mitchell [Member] Email
Well said. Here's some musing.

Would the "men of another type" attempt to reform the morass of fundamentalism in which they find themselves, or would they attempt to distance themselves from it? The latter seems necessary if they are in fact "men of thought, men contemptuous of false ideas, men who have a care for the prior conditions of the human mind."

If it is necessary for them to distance themselves, when is it necessary? When the fundamentalist awakes and becomes a non-fundamentalist man of thought, does he immediately jump ship or does he hang on for a little while to grab as many provisions as he can salvage? Does he hold his breath and plunge beneath the water into the hold of the ship, say, a fundamentalist seminary, until his lungs nearly burst, to emerge gasping back into the storm and drag himself and his books to the nearest lifeboat that looks seaworthy?

Or does the awakened, groggy, new thinker jump ship immediately and head for a non-fundamentalist seminary? Barring that possibility does he avoid seminary altogether and ironically go back to sleep?

If the newly awakened thinker should go to a fundamentalist seminary, should we then also hold our breaths with him and plunge into the seminary, to help him; even work in the seminary to hand out provisions to the frantic survivors? But if we do that, are we really abandoning ship?
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Natural and reasonable questions to ask. And they are not hard to answer, they are impossible to answer; Israel and Judah produced some hideous leaders while Egypt produced Israel’s greatest deliverer.

One drawback to the sort of polarized religious environment we are in is the tendency to encourage our parochial loyalties. I think that has been to our detriment. I have seen what the Christian day school movement has produced, what its colleges have produced and what its seminaries have produced. I do not see a Machen among them.

Of course, I realize that the absence of more Machens is not an adequate test of our institutions obviously. But I do think it gives us pause for humility.

To my almost certain recollection, I never advised anyone to join or abandon a movement, school or mission agency. (The closest I ever came was in sending a Hillsdale College catalog to a niece.) Others have not seen what I have seen, they have not looked into the eyes of the movements’ movers and shakers and asked my questions or heard their answers. It is on that basis that I decide, it is on that basis that I think all good men decide. Providence and sovereignty are not for nothing. Thoughtful men with tender consciences decide these things when God whispers.

God works with infinite nuance in the hearts of obedient men. I wish that fact were more commonly accepted.

I used to think there was nothing of value in fundamentalism, then I thought there was nothing of value in evangelicalism. Then I grew up and read Machen’s glowing admiration of liberals while remaining staunchly anti-liberal.

Follow the leading of God’s eye.
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3 Comment from: alana roberts [Member] Email · http://murg.blogspot.com
Good advice. We had to leave when our minds had passed beyond the limits of our fundamentalist experience, but we were not very important people nor were we in the best churches. I am still passionately thankful for guys like Minnick and Bauder and Scott Brier and some of the Bible Profs at Maranatha, because I know that without them pointing the direction they did we wouldn't have been able to find our way out in the first place. I am not prepared to say that it was not God who stationed them beneath the EXIT signs, even if they themselves would never walk out.
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4 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Yes, to my way of thinking this is the great anguish of the hour. What do you do when you are reared to see everything precious traced back through an intellectual or cultural lineage? You will be the last one who wants to burn books, destroy institutions and leave communities. One can only be driven out at the sound of those institutions themselves destroying the precious things and breaking their ties to the good.

I realize mine is not everyone’s story but just to be autobiographical, what happens when your church begins destroying everything you know to be good about music and liturgy? Turn your back on the good? Pretend worship is a casualty of separatism?

This wretchedness has not been properly noted or appreciated. I do think there was a charged moment when the light flickered out. It may not have been the death of Machen, but that is as good an adumbration as I’ve found. The lawless and hysterical orthodoxy that followed was a zealous and self-serving collapse.

As you say, many of us learned and even sympathized at the feet of people like Weeks and Delnay and even McCune. We never thought there was a remedy elsewhere. I mean, just this year in Christianity Today we have people explaining what sort of R-rated movies they would go to see, we had people asserting that horror movies were especially Christian, and we had those who had at first rejected the Harry Potter books eventually detecting in them some mitigating “redemptive themes”. Even evangelicals have been abandoned.

I attribute most of it to an obsequious deference to misguided leaders. Now we shall learn in leisure all about our hasty enthusiasms.
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5 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
While largely in agreement with the whole direction of the conversation here. The historian in me feels that there may be a bit of oversimplifcation. I've often enjoyed the way in which Lewis in his Screwtape Letters is careful to show the complexities of forces at work within an person. I'm not certain that the large share of fundamentalism fits the frame of the charicature painted here. It may be fair to assume that there is much of it that fits, but like fitting a pair of size twelves on my size 13 feet, it won't be very comfortable in the long haul and in every condition.

In my short life, I've lived long enough to see men with honorable intentions and sound methods ruined by believing their own press. Likewise, I've seen men who were rascals from the beginning end up in the highest echelons of leadership. Even with this, the easy charicature doesn't tell the whole story. This is no defence of Norris, but I'm not certain that his early history was as jaded as put forth here. Some (Braithwaite included) believe his more devilish quirks came after a serious break in health - a stroke I believe. Norris, if my memory serves correctly, did graduate at the top of his class from Southern Seminary. Even Delnay could not mask his admiration of Norris' abilities to quench Communist infiltration of the Detroit labor unions with an off the cuff speech. I do not defend Norris, merely sharing some of my paltry knowledge of the subject.

Could it be that the populist driven notions that drive fundamentalism is more its downfall than any of these personalities? That is to say, surely fundamentalism had its characters; but it was the market fundamentalism fed that ultimately must bear responsibility? It's the idea that success IS determined democratically. That large followings equal that success. We have no room for the monk, sage, or scholar because they do not produce followings. They do not produce loyalty. They do not generate captital.

I'm trying an idea out for size here. Could fundamentalims bigger problems stem from the illegitamate intrusion of democratic free-market capitalism in the house of worship? Separation was, for many fundamentalist, merely a way to segment the market for deeper penetration. It seems to always be the case of using human means to conjure up a spiritual end. I guess the question is not why these characters exist within fundamentalism, because they always exist in every era of the church. The question is more why do they flourish within fundamentalism?
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6 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
First, I think you’ve seriously misread me. I really don’t think anything I’ve said is an oversimplification or a caricature. Nor do I think it is jaded.

I do not address the causes of Norris’s “quirks”, nor do I share Delnay’s admiration of Norris’s anti-communism (especially in light of his ignominious pro-fascism), nor do I attribute the entire decline of the movement to Norris’s (or his followers’) populism. (Indeed I would laugh at anyone who tried to excuse Norris’s behavior based on health concerns. [Sounds like Rod Bell.] It is not Norris’s moral failings or mental shortcomings I am addressing, it is the movement’s acceptance of those failings and inadequacies, and the subsequent affect it had on the character of the movement, including especially the quality and nature of its leadership. Did all of Norris’s successors suffer the same ailments? Should prospective fundamentalist leaders undergo medical screening?)

But again that is not my point. There are the problems you cite and a hundred more. I am not talking about populism or revivalism or anti-communism or free-market capitalism or pre-millennialism or pietism or Darwinism or…you name it.

All of those issues and a thousand more could have arisen, been dealt with, and left the movement very different from what it is today. And that is the point.

The point is what sort of leaders the movement chose. I’m sure Machen had problems. We could speculate about his health as well. That gets us nowhere. We are talking about the cultural and intellectual disposition of the movement. Who shaped it and how? We could substitute the names of other men to compare these two strains of thought but I don’t think fundamentalism would gain by different comparisons.

Second, once we have made the most generous allowances for human foibles, we still have not accounted for the personality of this movement.

We do not grab names out of a hat when we cite Tulga and Clearwaters and Machen; we are producing evidence of what the movement thought of itself. That is not being jaded, that is reading history.

What rose to the level of criticism and what did not? Who justified being separated from and who did not? Nor did I haphazardly select these names; they represent the views of recognized leaders during their confrontation with their most hated enemies, Modernism and Neo-evangelicalism. This is not caricature or oversimplification unless you are willing to attribute those faults to the critiques those men made.

Finally, the point I did address was Machen’s notions of “prior conditions of the mind”, his recognition of the primacy of serious consideration of culture and thought. It stands in contrast to the views and behavior of men from before Norris to after Doran. It is this pig-headed, doltish refusal to consider the significance of one’s culture that persists.

It is fundamentalist culture.

I am talking about the disposition of the movement as exemplified by the men who speak for it and act on its behalf. I am talking about non-musicians pontificating about musical forms. I am talking about Creationists pontificating about the age of the earth in science classrooms. I am talking about men who will damage furniture in their leap to grasp useful but false ideas.

And these are also the men who savage the brethren and destroy churches at the very moment of decline and in the face of valid criticisms. These attitudes are not a novelty. We can understand them or we can pretend these were innocent and well-meaning men, mere unfortunates in a random history of ideas.

These things are at the very center of a literate man’s consideration of the worth of the movement.
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7 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
Ouch!

I seem to have struck a raw nerve here. It was not so much that I missed your point, and I am not trying to excuse Norris' behavior in light of his health. I recognized your overall general point although I did not directly state it in my previous post. I recognize that we have a fundamentalist culture that actually ignores and produces cheap forgeries of "serious consideration of culture and thought."

What I'm really struggling with, as many of your posters seem to, is why and how the not necessarily few honorable and nameless men within the movement continue in consort with "men from before Norris to after Doran." Men like a Delnay for instance.

I remember in a class that I took with Delnay on Contemporary Christianity an assignment was handed out to report to the class on some figure within Contemporary Christianity. My lot fell to report on Bill Gothard, much to my chagrin. My report excoriated Gothard's for his misuse of Scripture, his repeated moral leniency with his brother, and his cultish mentality. When I was done, I expected to get the usual cryptic nod of approval from the prof. Instead, I was given the impression that I was too hard on Gothard and that Gothard wouldn't have had to minister in that way if pastors had been preacing the "chain of command" from the pulpit themselves.

We are trying to work with what we have. Once we have realized the significant faults in the characters of those leading the movement, what next? A BJU-like purge? Write a deconstructive history explaining away any and all truth in the movement as a power position? A Berkleyesque sit-in at Clearwaters Library? A writing of serial articles like Machen's C&L - who would publish it? Point of fact; we have no leverage, the doors are sealed, the floors and walls are closing in, and a pendulum with a blade swings above. In fact, at this very moment, the powers that be in echelons above reality seek to squash this very conversation. Identities being revealed, we all find ourselves on a very long blacklist. Whereupon, we lower our sites and hold home-churches and labor at shift work to support our families. This could actually be done, but given the fact that everyone would mistake our identity with the demon hoard we just left, what would actually be gained?

What especially would be gained when those from within the movement who have prompted and even nurtured these better ideals regularly and dismissively sell us out to the system. They gain the prestige and acolades as those who ferreted out a fifth column within the very hosts of heaven. The have played double-agent in a ploy to squash dissent from the ranks.

You know what it is like to follow a dear friend in a cherished enterprise and have this dear friend sell you out to the competition. Why enflame passions for the true and beautiful if you are unwilling to see them through?

I know, this is a bit melodramatic even if truthful. But, the troops are restless in garrison.
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8 Comment from: lilrabbi [Member] Email
Dissidens - where did you get that awesome two-book quote from Machen?
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9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
exlibris:

Me? On a blacklist?

I find this very, very difficult to believe! My sources tell me that I am loved by all, and I pay them well for this information.

Perhaps in the heat of the moment you overstate the case. Yes, that is what I choose to believe. You are too excitable.

Seriously, I cannot explain why men stay where they do. There are probably as many reasons as there are men deciding to stay.

If you ask me for my sense of it? how I explain the world to myself? I think it is a matter of perceptions and a question of options: if the bête noire is noire enough, you don’t need the added confrontation. In the final analysis it is a question of values.

Which brings me back to the beginning: how much do I love the good, the true and the beautiful, and are imitations acceptable?

I am braced by Solzhenitsyn: One word of truth outweighs the world.

It’s not a question of leverage, it’s not a question of political power, it’s not a question of “getting in”; it’s not a question of effecting change.

“We fight for lost causes because we know that our defeat and dismay may be the preface to our successor’s victory, though that victory itself will be temporary; we fight rather to keep something alive than in the expectation that anything will triumph.”

I fear that in Heaven a slip of a martyr-girl from the First Century will ask me what it cost me to tell the truth and I will have to tell her I was put on a blacklist.

I dread that cute little giggle.
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10 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
lilrabbi:

J. Gresham Machen, "Christianity and Culture," in What is Christianity and Other Addresses, ed. Ned Stonehouse, (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publ. Co., 1992), p. 162-163.
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11 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
Dissidens:

Well said, and now I must take my medication .
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12 Comment from: greg linscott [Member] Email
I've found much to ponder here.

Dissidens, how do you see Carl McIntyre fitting into this conversation?
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13 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Carl McIntire was an interesting guy and in an entirely different class from J. Frank. In my opinion, Norris was a first-class wretch. There were other leaders in the movement for whom I have some respect but who nevertheless retain the flaws that shaped the movement’s character.

McIntire was known as the “P.T. Barnum of Fundamentalism”, his own movement splintered, a review of the length of service of his assistants is not heartening, he ran afoul of the law (particularly the FCC and he ended up running an off-shore pirate station), he began his own “counter-culture” paper, and collegiality among other fundamentalists was never long-lived.

There are two things I would say about him: I think he was typical of the movement, he certainly was at the heart of it, especially the Presbyterian wing. I would also say that, while not a reprobate, his behavior was unbecoming the Gospel.

So I wince.

I try to be as charitable as I can about men who fought battles I never had to. And they were fierce battles. I know that by reason of temperament and ideological belief, I doubt I could have regarded them as friends, but I hasten to add that no one is obligated to be my friend.

What exercises me most are the traits that the movement took with it. My beliefs took encouragement from men like Machen, my temperament is regularly assaulted by men in the movement who set the patterns for us today. And I do not speak here about inconsequential things. These lie at the very heart of Fundamentalism and American Culture (cf. Marsden).

These really were epoch-making days and they were inextricably tied up with the most profound notions of what is good, true and beautiful.

Some of us came belatedly to a profound appreciation of Weaver and Kirk and Eliot, et. al. Hey! this new religious movement had a correspondent on the ground! It’s as though no one thought to plug in his mike.

The Fundamentalism-That-Might-Have-Been would have gone down as one of the great heroic ages of the Church (in my opinion). I wish two things, a) I wish the sober voices had been harkened to and that there would have been an attitude cultivated which would have enabled b) a current generation to say meaningful things about our debased culture and maintain propriety in worship.

Machen was right: false ideas, no matter how well-intentioned or how desperately needed, are death in the pot.

Fundamentalism today is not just separatist, it is fractious. It seems to think that its opinion of itself supercedes its obligation to believers. It would rather defend its miscreants than provide plausible leadership.

I know these comments will be perceived as one more gratuitous dig (and that is why so few people offer them anymore) but the fact remains: this movement is turning its back on its own. It cherishes its own pretensions, it wraps itself in the flag of separation and acts as though anyone who isn’t liberal or neo-evangelical can be kept down on the plantation.

There is the Fundamentalism-that-might-have-been and the Fundamentalism-we-got. I think that the health of the church depends on our speaking the truth about our current humiliation. People still meet weekly to sing, play instruments, read Scripture, and listen to preaching.

How can we be casual about this?
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14 Comment from: unk [Member] Email
We are casual because we don't believe that "false ideas, no matter how well-intentioned or how desperately needed, are death in the pot."

We believe we should be "balanced" rather than contemptuous of false ideas and I think we don't believe that being less than contemptuous amounts to being enamored of false ideas. On this last I doubt there is any neutral ground, and I am afraid we think there is.
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15 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
I absolutely agree with that absolute truth.

See new post above.
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16 Comment from: Curious George [Member] Email
J. Gresham was a separatist and refused to be known as a fundamentalist;
I'm not disputing the accuracy of this assertion, but would you provide a reference?
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17 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Sure.

Do you suppose that I do regret my being called by a term that I greatly dislike, a "Fundamentalist"? Most certainly I do. But in the presence of a great common foe, I have little time to be attacking my brethren who stand with me in defense of the Word of God. --- J.G.M. from J. Gresham Machen: A Biographical Memoir, p. 337


Thoroughly consistent Christianity, to my mind, is found only in the Reformed or Calvinist Faith; and consistent Christianity, I think, is the Christianity easiest to defend. Hence I never call myself a "Fundamentalist" ... What I prefer to call myself is not a "Fundamentalist" but a "Calvinist" —that is, an adherent of the Reformed Faith. As such I regard myself as standing in the great central current of the Church's life—the current that flows down form the Word of God through Augustine and Calvin, and which has found noteworthy expression in America in the great tradition represented by Charles Hodge and Benjamin Breckinridge Warfield and the other representatives of the "Princeton School" --- Ibid. p. 428

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Marsden also cites Machen's distaste for the "rough house element" within the movement.
--- Fundamentalism and American Culture, p. 138
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18 Comment from: exlibris [Member] Email
What is Machen major area of contempt for Fundamentalism? Is it Fundamentalism's novelty or lack of decorum? Is it equally both?

What about Tozer? He definitely ties himself to the tradition of revivalism, speaking highly of Moody, etc. But, is his approval only skin deep like Machen's unwillingness to attack his brethren.

By most classical standards, Fundamentalism seems to be a quasi-orthodox liberalism.
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19 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
I’m not sure how fair my assessment of Machen can be. It’s not like I read his correspondence as I have others’. I’m bound to trust the observations and judgments of those who have.

My sense is more visceral than intellectual.

There is a special revulsion one feels for those who destroy beautiful things they are not even worthy to view. I can only imagine that for someone like a Machen to find such yahoos cavorting and squatting in the temple, railing against those he disagreed with but genuinely admired as Christians? It must have been a hard pill to swallow.

Tozer, I think, was a) under-educated—you don’t find a man with an eighth-grade education with the nuanced appreciation of the scholar, and b) and to his credit, he was a shepherd. All the difference in the world between a shepherd and a soldier of ideas.
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20 Comment from: unk [Member] Email
"All the difference in the world between a shepherd and a soldier of ideas."

That's provocative. Would you consider a post that elaborated on this? I'd like to understand this better.
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21 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
After later thought, I suspect Machen regarded the Fundamentalists much like some of us regard Pat Robertson (after his comment about God's attack on Ariel Sharon).

"Is there no one near Robertson who can stuff a sock in his mouth?"
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