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Unrefined

05/10/06

Permalink 06:37:08 am, by dissidens Email , 683 words, 2945 views   English (US)
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Unrefined

Friday will be an anniversary of sorts, and I’ll have something to say about the pertinence of the pious imagination. In the meantime some appropriate musing might help set the stage.

We have quoted Weaver in the past. We’ve agreed with him that right thinking rests on right sentiment; sentiment comes first, contrary to what the animal world holds. To have proper sentiments, to place things in right proportion and to have a sense of form and measure—to use Weaver’s words—is essential.

The modern church has no sense of form or measure, it does not even have a shared sense of proportion. We know this is true. We can see this in what it argues about. Many churches admit this in their divided services or their hodge-podge liturgies. A little bit of this style and a little bit of that style is a blatant admission that there are not sufficiently useful songs (and sermons) to have a single service, even among contemporaries who voluntarily join the same church. It is true in the pulpit, in its liturgy and its political endeavors. I know this is easy for many to say when they cast their gaze toward Nashville or Louisville or Schaumburg or Deerfield or Greenville or Dallas; it is harder to accept when we look in the mirror.

Partly out of normal human pride, partly as a consequence of church history, we’ve happily settled on the idea that our piety rests on our orthodoxy. This is not at all true. Demons know, believe and tremble, but they are not pious. Meticulous orthodoxy, even scrupulous obedience, is no guarantee of deep piety. The Evangelists leave no doubt about this in their treatment of the Pharisees.

Now, to make this argument irritates some people no end. To speak about “refining our sensibilities” (Weaver again) is just too hoity-toity, and Christians really do share the profane notion that the gospel can be shared between people who strike up a casual relationship at a picnic or a soccer game. And the Gospel is, after all, the sum and substance of religious obligation, right?

Earlier we quoted two works of Christian reflection; here I’ll excerpt just two contrasting stanzas. In reading them, pay attention to what they say, not how they say it. This isn’t an exercise in poetry-reading (for those of you who are intimidated by poetry or scandalized by superior technique). One is clearly technically better than the other, one is more thoughtful, but set that aside. Nor is this a comparison of theology. Reflect only on the matter under consideration.

Bliss is anticipating his reward, Tersteegen is contemplating his God.

I know not the form of my mansion fair,
I know not the name that I then shall bear;
But I know that my Savior will welcome me there,
And that will be Heaven for me.
And that will be Heaven for me,
Oh, that will be Heaven for me.
But I know that my Savior will welcome me there,
And that will be Heaven for me.

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Being of beings! may our praise
Thy courts with grateful fragrance fill;
Still may we stand before thy face,
Still hear and do thy sovereign will;
To thee may all our thoughts arise,
Ceaseless, accepted sacrifice.

If it comes down to a question of saying “the right words about the right things” (Weaver again), which is right?

Which soul is better disposed to say something meaningful, something true?

The verse by Bliss was written roughly 100 years after the verse by Tersteegen; what advance in religious sensibility is apparent in these works? Who would choose to sing the Bliss when the Tersteegen is still available?

But most important: what set of historical, theological or aesthetic factors could we cite as justification for this change in sensibility? As an exercise in lifestyle evangelism, how would you explain the difference to someone at a picnic or a soccer game? How would you explain it to the head of the English department of the local university?

Think on these things.

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1 Comment from: Curious George [Member] Email
Christians really do share the profane notion that the gospel can be shared between people who strike up a casual relationship at a picnic or a soccer game.


You lost me here. Where is the irreverence? Is it because the setting of a soccer game might not be conducive to subtle explanations? Or is it the fact that the relationship is merely casual? And how would you differentiate this kind of situation from that of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch?
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
I’m sorry, I tried to shorten the post by presuming a recollection of earlier discussions, especially of Weaver. Some of us are discussing this elsewhere, but the thread might have been broken here on Remonstrans. My fault.

I mean to say that for there to be understanding between people there has to be a shared “metaphysical dream”, a common set of ideas on which to base our judgments, a test for the truth of all of our claims. If that shared understanding does not exist, one cannot share the gospel, not at a soccer game and not at a church, not casually and not formally.

If I deny the supernatural, I am not going to be persuaded of my need of repentance by someone just because our boys play soccer together.

The current wisdom is that to share Christ you establish a shared interest (you can get a whole list of possible shared interests on p. 207 of Lifestyle Evangelism). From these shared interests may develop a relationship in which you can cleverly insinuate a person’s need for salvation. This of course is nonsense. A shared interest in rodeo or quilting is not pre-evangelism.

I maintain that Christendom no longer has a metaphysical dream, that’s why it must sneak around chatting to the unregenerate about quilts and rodeos. If quilters and bull riders shared a metaphysical dream, they could converse about God and sin and redemption without all the folderol.

Joe Aldrich thinks he can replace shared belief with shared experiences of bulls and thimbles, as though transcendental claims are far more plausible coming from a fellow-hobbyist.

Indeed a soccer game might not be conducive to subtle explanations, but that’s not my point. My point is that soccer is not a vehicle for the communication of truth, it is merely a ploy to gain personal credibility with someone.

My larger point in the post is that this disconnect is rife within the church, that a recognizable process of unrefinement has deprived us of a sentiment necessary for piety.
PermalinkPermalink 05/10/06 @ 09:39

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3 Comment from: unk [Member] Email
Q: "Who would choose to sing the Bliss when the Tersteegen is still available?"

A: "It is merely a ploy to gain personal credibility with someone."

PermalinkPermalink 05/10/06 @ 17:08

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4 Comment from: lilrabbi [Member] Email
"Those that hate goodness are sometimes nearer than those that know nothing at all about it and think they have it already."

-The Great Divorce

Unk - I'm not sure its a ploy anymore. I think people really think Bliss is a model of piety.
PermalinkPermalink 05/10/06 @ 22:35

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5 Comment from: rmered [Member] Email
The majority of people in the world would never understand Tersteegen, no matter how much education you give them. That is a fact (a brute one, at that).

But I am just a common man among giants.
PermalinkPermalink 05/16/06 @ 12:58

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6 Comment from: neoclassical [Member] Email
Well...Tersteeg sounds to me a whole lot closer to the Scriptural text than Bliss.
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7 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
It is revealing, if you are correct, that most people will never understand the simple and direct language Tersteegen uses to express the first duty of the Christian.
PermalinkPermalink 05/16/06 @ 18:52

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8 Comment from: rmered [Member] Email
Therein lies the problem. You think it is simple and direct language. You live in the clouds (I am not talking about the heavenlies). That is not an attack, simply an observation.
PermalinkPermalink 05/18/06 @ 21:52

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9 Comment from: rmered [Member] Email
I am not saying Bliss is better. I am simply saying that Tersteegen's form is a foreign language to the overwhelming majority.
PermalinkPermalink 05/18/06 @ 21:54

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10 Comment from: David [Member] Email
Seems like plain English to me.
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11 Comment from: Remonres [Member] Email
I must be an oddball. I can follow Tersteegen but the Elliot Hippo one leaves me confused.
PermalinkPermalink 05/19/06 @ 08:07

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12 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
How so?
PermalinkPermalink 05/20/06 @ 05:52

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13 Comment from: Remonres [Member] Email
Well, so far as the text goes, I understand the comments about the hippo and the comments about the church. But the title and the juxtaposition makes my eyes cross.

I had an Ogden Nash-like grin when, after reading the text, the Hippo of the text was the beast and not the philosopher, or a reference to where Augustine was from... but then I read the text - the descriptions alternate and I'm lost. Is it a comparison? a contrast? I'm probably making it much more complicated than it needs to be. Or maybe I can only vaguely sense the depth of the poem.
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14 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Ahhh, ok, then I’m the source of the confusion. Perhaps I’ve been too clever by half.

I was trying in the last six posts to draw together separate but related threads. I quoted Milton and Eliot as evidence of refined and cultivated minds observing the failures of the church to shepherd the flock; as in [I]Lycidas[/I], shepherds who don’t even have knowledge of the tools of shepherding.

In contrast to that we have a rather meagerly educated Tozer who was nevertheless an aesthetically sensitive, thoughtful and well-read man who may have been the last preacher adept with shepherd’s tools.

Neoclassical said “many people I know love Tozer, but they really don't get all that he is saying because they have no mental framework to deal with it.” I think that is right. Modern evangelicals know something is wrong, they have some echo of better things from their remote past and yet fail to produce anything of value themselves. They may even have read guys like Weaver, but fail to make the connection. How do we explain this?

I thought my juxtaposition might help sort things out, help give a texture to the problem.

Fitch is an extreme example of a common problem: ignorance of the shepherd’s tools. He senses some disconnect between spectacle and worship, attributes it to technology and warns of “disposable realities”. Pure hokum. Most evangelicals are not that thick, but they make the same [I]sort[/I] of error. They misapprehend the problem, suggest what seems an appropriate solution without realizing their “sense of appropriateness” is precisely their failing.

Central to why we were created, central to why we were redeemed, central to why we worship in a public way, and central to the purpose of the church is worship. Pivotal to worship is a sensibility suitably refined to the task of saying meaningful things to and about God. Worship is all about sensibilities; worship is feeling properly about God and holding these things in common with others.

Fitch thinks it has something to do with superfluous technology, and his very explanation demonstrates he isn’t even conversant with music symphonies; he doesn’t have the necessary “mental framework” for making judgments as to whether spectacle is appropriate.

I suggest that what is true of Fitch is true of most. Fundies, for example, recoil from Amy Grant and embrace Bliss and fail to appreciate the superiority of Tersteegen. If we look at the contemporary stuff they produce we see that their stuff is derivative, not of Tersteegen or the Bernards, it is derivative of Bliss and Crosby. It wasn’t bad enough we had bad sentiment, now we must endure second-hand bad sentiment!

Let me put it bluntly enough to serve as conclusive evidence in my heresy trial: If a pastor is not adept at sensibilities, if he is not conversant with the saints’ feelings about God, if he cannot correct the bad feelings and engender the good feelings, he is not shepherding the flock. He can traipse out all the Greek vocabulary he has, he can sketch out ten different systematic theologies, but what all you will get is hungry, sick sheep.
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15 Comment from: Remonres [Member] Email
Hmmm, no, I don't think you are the source of the confusion. I was able to follow your line of thought in your posts......

It's Eliot. I just find his poetry to be beyond me pretty much most of the time. This likely means I should spend more time trying to "get it."
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