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Emergent Village Idiots

10/08/07

Permalink 04:45:13 am, by dissidens Email , 514 words, 1472 views   English (US)
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Emergent Village Idiots

Let me introduce myself: My name is Rupert Ward ... and I am ...

A Follower of Jesus, Husband, Father of two very boisterous boys, Church Leader. Enjoyer of wine, good food, most sports, books, current affairs, conversation and learning ...

I enjoy candles, hands in air, passionate preaching, silence, bells n smells (very occasionally), liturgy, free flowing worship, chairs, cushions, the floor, late mornings or early nights, one to ones, big crowds, simplicity, complexity, revelation, mystery, presence, absence, water, desert, transcendence, immanence, theology that makes sense, hills and mountains, cities and bustle, people, getting away from people, jesus, god, holy spirit, the world we live in, a hope for the future, paradox, clarity...

I am learning that the more I learn, the less I know. I tolerate pretty much most things, except intolerance. I fundamentally hate fundamentalism. I am confused, yet clearer than I have ever been.  It would be great to have on part of my journey ...

Now this would be your stereotypical emergent. More often than not he will have a name followed by a list of social roles he plays—capriciously capitalized and punctuated—in the Geat Postmodern Dance of Blended Identity. These people are great with name tags: "Hi, My Name Is". I like to think of it as a first gambit in striking up a "conversation".

This introduction should be followed by an impromptu list of paired opposites. This shows a) how complicated you are, how conflicted your thinking can be, and b) that you do own a thesaurus.

It is often helpful to include some sort of formal Declaration Of Enemies; these will be your bona fides. Drag out a list of people who haven't quite made it (no matter how loving of diversity you might be) onto your Christmas Card Mailing List. Overused devil words might include, evangelical, fundamentalist, republican, gun-owner, Rush Limbaugh listener, Supporter of Israel...

If you have a blog, it is always nice to do photo-sharing via Flickr. If you have facial hardware or gospel tattoos, this is an ideal way to express your love of art. You can then post a string of artsy snapshots to convey some sense of your artistic nature. Suitable subjects would be fire hydrants, manhole covers in the rain, neon signs, subway turnstiles, dumpsters, homeless people frequenting dumpsters... Urban grit is always evocative of profound thought and moral outrage. If you have young children, this is where you want to put some record of their birthday parties. If you have snaps of you at some loading dock or graffitied bridge abutment, this is where you want to share those pictures with the world. Jumble them all together to suggest how complex and variegated life is. This will make you look deep.

Somewhere you will want to make a pointed reference to your "journey". Perplexed and disoriented people generally like to suggest that their confused and disordered lives are a journey. It's picturesque, dramatic and romantic. It suggests a telos that their weltanschauung denies them. Why not create one on the internet?

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1 Comment from: Regulative [Visitor] Email
Emergent "contextualizes" at carnival, appearing like ride operator, sitting on detiorating park bench in cargo shorts and tank top with laughing child sporting rub-on tattoos, both holding half-eaten cotton candy in front of balloon dart throw, ragged, peeling urban billboard in background.
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2 Comment from: Observer [Visitor] Email
I don't understand why people cannot (or maybe, do not) see through this -- this charade. Do you have to be old-fashioned, fuddy-duddy, boring, and wit-less in order to be a Christian? Of course not. But these people like Rupert Ward are trying so hard to be "in." And they are trying; they didn't study the Scriptures and come to the conclusion of "I have to be hip to reach the lost." They are trying to be hip because that is what they want to do. And that sad thing is, people follow them.

Excellent post.
PermalinkPermalink 10/08/07 @ 09:58

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3 Comment from: blackmambaprof [Visitor] Email
I can't imagine any of the following men with a "readme.txt" like Rupert's...

"Hi, I'm J. S. Bach, and I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, organist, composer, father..."

"Hi, I'm George MacDonald, and I'm a myth-maker, father, son, lover of the imagination..."

"Hi, I'm Martin Luther, and I'm a former priest turned reformer, visionary, translator..."
PermalinkPermalink 10/08/07 @ 12:22

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4 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
blackmamba:

Exactly.
PermalinkPermalink 10/08/07 @ 12:57

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5 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
It will be interesting to watch this movement.

It is clear to most that it is a movement without a coherent idea, but that doesn’t mean it will fail. It is a movement without a cohesive leadership, but that’s no guarantee of anything either. Look at what became of the Jesus People. But it is showing divisions even more quickly than fundamentalism.

Two things:

First, I think it is not quite accurate to say people are following these leaders. It looks more to me that the figureheads are plying the discontent of disenfranchised evangelicals and trying to stay in front of the fleeing mob. That can be tricky and dangerous.

Consider what McLaren is asking of church musicians:

http://ionworship.org/index.php?SESe4=SE4HDMzY1MWFlZThW6e5tipg2r4PZha9__3sl__DDlrBqWEFYf8maAgChCBDnQdXg0K7yQUiNOl6A__2pl__QqdL4vJQNPufquzP__2pl__USXWmrcMY8vNSE4FT

and ask yourself what the chances are that guys like Dave Fisher will act . His experience is telling him that God is emerging. First it was the church that was emerging, now God is emerging and the evidence is found in the experience of one who said, “I don't know what the heck I'm doing most of the time.”

Second, I’m perfectly willing to let them all drink up the Kool-Aid and wait for the comet. I do think it is of interest to people who will be picking up the pieces. That Everything Must Change is easy to foresee. How to preserve the faith does not appear to be one of their gifts.

This is why I hope that a remnant from evangelicalism can act responsibly.
PermalinkPermalink 10/08/07 @ 12:59

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6 Comment from: Observer [Visitor] Email
Dissidens,

I see the distinction you're making, but when I read about the huge crowds of Mars Hill and the like, I can't help but think that people are indeed following idiots like Drisdoll.

At Mars Hill's website, this is what they say as to "why Mars Hill is growing when so many churches are struggling." Absolutely pathetic . . .

http://www.marshillchurch.org/content/strugglingchurches
PermalinkPermalink 10/08/07 @ 13:31

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7 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Oh, I don’t deny they are growing! I am doubting who is leading.

Anyone with a free hand can bring in “congregants to a wide variety of genres, including rockabilly, emo, pop, and even a little R&B. But the church is more than good music. Some point to the culture; cool art and aesthetics, engagement of local and popular culture, and hospitable community.”

But that is not leadership. Look at the music, look at the culture, look at the art, look at the aesthetics. We are not talking about the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood here. This is not comparable to Mozart and Haydn, Coleridge and Wordsworth, Goethe and Schiller… We are not talking about art and culture here, we are talking about coffeehousemanship.

Who is their Walter Pater?

There is a bleak moment in the life of every thinking pastor: am I doing the work of a shepherd or the work of a master of ceremonies?
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8 Comment from: Observer [Visitor] Email
A sobering thought, indeed.
PermalinkPermalink 10/08/07 @ 15:44

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9 Comment from: Steve K. [Visitor] Email · http://www.knightopia.com/journal
Ummm, this is an interesting comment thread ... First, I'm wondering why you're picking on this guy, Rupert Ward. I've never heard of him, but apparently he's a big enough figure for you to critique the "about" page on his blog?

Second, you appear to be clueless about the fact that most blogs have these kind of inane "About" pages that you're supposed to fill in with bullet-pointy references to who you are and what you do, etc. It's fair to say that reducing your identity down to a string of descriptors is probably not an entirely good thing, but to accuse "Emergent" people of being the cause of this is, well, missing the mark.

I guess I'm wondering ... What do ya'll believe that is so contrary to Emergent and the emerging church? Obviously you are intelligent people. The seething sarcasm here is thick (and smart). So ... if we agree that "Everything Must Change is easy to foresee," what's your solution?
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10 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Steve:

I’d never heard of Rupert Ward either; I found him while slumming through the emergent’s blogrolls. I’m not citing him because he is “big”, I’m citing him because he is typical and this approach is intentional. This has become a kind of affectation, an insignia that is intended to communicate something to us. So I pay attention.

Besides, what lacks candor interests me.

Second, I’m not entirely clueless about blogware—although Dave, our own tech admin, might think I’m pushing the envelope. I have several friends who run Wordpress, and if they ever suspected that emergents were responsible for its defects, I’ll bet they’d switch. As it is, they’ve found ways to describe themselves less preposterously. It’s not a software problem.

What do I believe that is contrary to the emergent church? Wow. How much time do you have?

To put it too briefly:
• part of what I object to is its juvenile grasp of philosophy

• part of what I object to is its adolescent attitude toward the past; this is not unique to the emergent church but it is essential to it. There is some form of this adolescence in fundamentalism, neo-evangelicalism, seeker-sensitive…but I object to it everywhere.

• part of what I object to is its moral confusion and appeasement

• part of what I object to is its contempt for reason

• part of what I object to is its simple dishonesty

I personally do not think everything must change. I assert that the most important things do not change.
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11 Comment from: kenny h [Visitor] Email
Steve K: I couldn't agree with dissidens more. It was exactly what I thought when I read his comment on Rupert Ward. Rupert is typical, and the billboard for the emerging church. This is what happens when liberals find Jesus. And believe me, I don't oppose that act, what I oppose is that liberals cannot help themselves from over analizing and wanting to change everything they touch into the way they think. The Bible is a book of the ages. It is a History book, a Science book, a Language book, a Theology book and most of all the word of God written by man, translated by man but all done with the hand of God breathing truth into it's pages. Scripture states that adding to or taking away from the word of God is punishable by the plagues discribed in the bible or removal of your name from the tree of life (book of life).
And these pathetic emerging liberals can't stand it that the word of God is the truth for ever more. All these people want to do is analize the meaning of that truth. It reminds me of the way Wisconsin University Professors think. They do this all in the way it was greatly discribe. I read one comment by an emerger where he trying to make a case for his head swimming analization of the truth that the Bible was outdate and needed updating to address the issue of slavery in the context of this postmodern era. People like this are just as dangerous as anyone who is so wrapped up in their neo-politically correct kool-aid drinking Bostonian thinking that they want child molesters to always have a second chance. The emerging church is made up of people who have never had a relationship with God. Their entire experience with the Bible is with Jesus. I believe Jesus is the way and the light, but God has so much more to say than to document what his son said. You never hear an emerger say these words; faith, mercy, grace, and the Holy Spirit. They all become clones of the last emerger book they read.
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12 Comment from: LK [Visitor]
Dude, lighten up. Calling people names on the internet helps you how? There are way more ridiculous about me sections and lists of facebook interests - big deal. Why are you so threatened by what these others believe? To each his own. Maybe offer constructive criticism but no need to make things personal.
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13 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Me?

Threatened?

Why do you clowns think people oppose wrong ideas only when they are "threatened"? Is this what passes for argument on your playground? Was St. John threatened when he opposed Cerinthus. Was St. James threatened? How about St. Peter? Was he threatened? St. Paul? Luther?

Dude, save up and buy a book!
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