banner

Beaks And Talons

04/02/08

Permalink 09:08:59 am, by dissidens Email , 345 words, 417 views   English (US)
Categories: Old Main

Beaks And Talons

There are certain men in this world who are a law unto themselves.

They rise up publicly and smite God's chosen "hip and thigh, bone and marrow, heart and lungs", they hire and fire on personal whim and are not amenable to the entreaties of their colleagues, their egos destroy institutions, they sign and break covenants for their own advantage, they turn acts of private compassion into public slanders for political gain and they discredit the church before the world, they intimidate the flock by being "dominating and domineering", they take other men's wives and molest children, they rule by expulsion and threat of expulsion, even in fields where they are manifestly incompetent they create a ludicrous and ineffective culture to impose on the sensibilities of others, they insinuate indecencies about young women for expressing their beliefs, they are men without discretion or tenderness, they publish scandal sheets out of a "love for the brethren"....

It is of a piece. It is the nature of this unclean bird. These are not just the deeds of the 1920s which can now be gotten over. These are the humiliations of today's public life. These are the "nutty professors", the Barney Fifes and the Keystone Cops. These are the teachers, leaders and pastors. But mostly, this is the church of your children.

"But, really, dissidens! Aren't there better things we could be doing?"

In a sense I agree with that. There are many pleasant things we would prefer. There is a book here at my left elbow, there is a CD in the tray with a "legendary performance" by the Wiener Oktett. Either of these is preferable. But we forget what is at issue here. This is the church of Jesus Christ which was explicitly told to see to these matters. You tell me where judgment begins. As it stands we do no such thing and we are disgraced in a world amply supplied with Hillary Clintons and Eliot Spitzers.

Will this movement ever examine itself?

Trackback address for this post:

This is a captcha-picture. It is used to prevent mass-access by robots.

Please enter the characters from the image above. (case insensitive)

Comments, Trackbacks, Pingbacks:

1 Comment from: lilrabbi [Visitor] Email
Is the bird reference to something other than Tash?
PermalinkPermalink 04/02/08 @ 09:35

Reply to comment 4888 by lilrabbi

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
: )

I didn't have a particular bird in mind.
PermalinkPermalink 04/02/08 @ 11:10

Reply to comment 4891 by dissidens

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 Comment from: Chris [Visitor] Email
Who gets to be the donkey in the lion suit? I have a feeling that when the superstructure of the playhouse collapses, there will be a whole bunch of guys climbing out of the wreckage saying "the monkey made me do it."

Concerning the last question, this movement does examine itself. It takes two forms from my experience, both in conference settings: There is the preening, gloating kind, where they have Garlock or Pettit lead the music and trot out their best preachers to demonstrate what skollership looks like. The pastors are either dozing or furiously copying the outline for Sunday while the youth pastors sit in the back looking at ESPN on their lap tops.

Then there is the concerned kind which realizes that institutionalized Fundamentalism is a bag of kittens on the way to the river. It has found holes in the bag and is trying to gather all its courage to jump out. Some of this kind say "wait till the bag hits the water, then swim for it!" while others are dropping out along the path. Dumb metaphor, I know, but it seems like it describes what I'm seeing.
PermalinkPermalink 04/03/08 @ 07:30

Reply to comment 4898 by Chris

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
The time is coming and now is…

I think we are further down the road than that. The whole Richard Hand thing, disgraceful as it is, is not the most disturbing issue. Part of it is the whole Bob Jones race issue that we know stands tight-lipped behind it.

But what concerns me most of all, again, is the hymnals and the stack of entertainments that have come from the entire movement. If we want to see the imagination of the American fundamentalist, everyone knows where to look. We don’t have to wait for scurrilous e-mails.

The handwriting is on the wall.
PermalinkPermalink 04/03/08 @ 15:00

Reply to comment 4902 by dissidens

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5 Comment from: semper vendentes [Visitor] Email
Dissidens' Slanderfest '08:
They rise up publicly and smite God's chosen "hip and thigh, bone and marrow, heart and lungs", they hire and fire on personal whim and are not amenable to the entreaties of their colleagues, their egos destroy institutions, they sign and break covenants for their own advantage, they turn acts of private compassion into public slanders for political gain and they discredit the church before the world, they intimidate the flock by being "dominating and domineering", they take other men's wives and molest children, they rule by expulsion and threat of expulsion, even in fields where they are manifestly incompetent they create a ludicrous and ineffective culture to impose on the sensibilities of others, they insinuate indecencies about young women for expressing their beliefs, they are men without discretion or tenderness, they publish scandal sheets out of a "love for the brethren"...
3 John 9 & 10 ESV:
… Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church.
PermalinkPermalink 04/06/08 @ 19:35

Reply to comment 4912 by semper vendentes

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
Semper has apostolic authority?

Yes, this is the answer - kill the bearer of bad news.
PermalinkPermalink 04/07/08 @ 14:34

Reply to comment 4916 by exlibris

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
exlibris:

You really can't pay people enough for this sort of on-the-spot corroboration.
PermalinkPermalink 04/07/08 @ 14:45

Reply to comment 4917 by dissidens

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
my thoughts exactly . . . nothing quite like playing into the hand of your critic.

This is a movement that has made its raison d'tre to refuse to welcome the brothers. This is a movement whose champions are and were accomplished slanderers.
PermalinkPermalink 04/07/08 @ 15:06

Reply to comment 4918 by exlibris

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I've always been grateful that my parents had the foresight to get me those irony lessons.



PermalinkPermalink 04/07/08 @ 15:22

Reply to comment 4919 by dissidens

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
10 Comment from: semper vendentes [Visitor] Email
Dissidens’ line “they take other men's wives and molest children” was constructed to illicit a visceral response.

I fell into the trap again, like when I asked why Sheffey was called a reprobate on this site.

Now Dissidens can fill in the blank(s), and tell us to whom he’s referring.

(Drum roll please.)

Remember, class, no one can deny Dissidens’ authority, nor Iscariot his apostleship.
PermalinkPermalink 04/07/08 @ 17:02

Reply to comment 4920 by semper vendentes

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
11 Comment from: semper vendentes [Visitor] Email
Errata: Dissidens’ line “they take other men's wives and molest children” was constructed to elicit a visceral response.
PermalinkPermalink 04/07/08 @ 17:45

Reply to comment 4921 by semper vendentes

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
12 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
More ironies . . .

I remembered this last night.

"Diotrephes" was the slur that Norris used against Ketcham back in The Fundamentalist of the 30's through the 50's.

"Brother Diotrophes" to be exact.

By the way, semper, Norris was guilty of almost the whole list mentioned above. This stream (BJU/IFB) of fundamentalism did not begin to de-Norrisise (cf. deStalinization) until the 70's or 80's. They were still heralding him as a patron saint in their publications up until this time.

While Norris' flamboyance and style (his only redeeming features) have been lost, there remains the same competitive, unstoppable egotism. It is interesting to stand back and watch the la cosa nostra effect begin to kick in. This still happens today.

Interestingly, Ketcham seemingly overcame his bitterness and his nemesis by meditating on Col. 1:18. The GARBC would later be torn apart by two men desiring the preeminence in the 80's. One of them had been my pastor and had baptized me, the other was a friend of the family. Again, ironically, both of them PhD's from the same Greenville institution.

Let's get over it?

No, let's repent in sackcloth and ashes. We ought to be asking what it is about a movement of supposedly sainted brethren that would cause them to act in this manner. It does not seem enough merely to dismiss it as a matter of falleness. We have been commanded to be holy. We preach messages against this sort of thing on the personal level, why do we tolerate in a much larger venue?
PermalinkPermalink 04/08/08 @ 07:25

Reply to comment 4922 by exlibris

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
13 Comment from: semper vendentes [Visitor] Email
Norris was guilty of almost the whole list mentioned above. This stream of fundamentalism did not begin to de-Norrisise (cf. deStalinization) until the 70's or 80's. They were still heralding him as a patron saint in their publications up until this time.
I see we’re still fighting the dead.

All we need now is an online map, a sharp steel spade, and a sleeve of strike-on-box matches.

We'll condemn this miscreant, and have his bones dug up and burned.
PermalinkPermalink 04/08/08 @ 18:42

Reply to comment 4935 by semper vendentes

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
14 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Too little too late.
PermalinkPermalink 04/08/08 @ 18:47

Reply to comment 4936 by dissidens

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
15 Comment from: semper vendentes [Visitor] Email
Still, a felony like that could put the fun back in fundamentalism.
PermalinkPermalink 04/08/08 @ 19:50

Reply to comment 4937 by semper vendentes

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
16 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
I see, semper, that you missed the balance of my post. Norris is archetypical not archaeological with respect to this movement. We don't have a better fundamentalism, just a more underground fundamentalism. Norris is not purely a statistical outlier. Rather, he provides impetus for the direction of the movement. Fundamentalism repudiated his public actions, never the private affections that fueled his ego.

Here, you can have your fedora and whip back. I have no need of them. Good observation, but I believe you misread my point.
PermalinkPermalink 04/09/08 @ 08:46

Reply to comment 4940 by exlibris

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Leave a comment:

Your email address will not be displayed on this site.
Your URL will be displayed.

Allowed XHTML tags: <p, ul, ol, li, dl, dt, dd, address, blockquote, ins, del, span, bdo, br, em, strong, dfn, code, samp, kdb, var, cite, abbr, acronym, q, sub, sup, tt, i, b, big, small, a>
(Line breaks become <br />)
(Set cookies for name, email and url)
(Allow users to contact you through a message form (your email will NOT be displayed.))
This is a captcha-picture. It is used to prevent mass-access by robots.

Please enter the characters from the image above. (case insensitive)

Remonstrans

July 2008
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
 << <   > >>
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31    

Archives

Search

Categories

XML Feeds

What is RSS?

Who's Online?

  • Guest Users: 61

powered by
b2evolution