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Religious Persecution

05/05/08

Permalink 06:06:39 am, by dissidens Email , 298 words, 195 views   English (US)
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Religious Persecution

Spencer Burke laments the tone and tenor of blogs and the media. He fears the fundamentalist movement might try to reinstate a nostalgic view of what the "Church" is, and he fears a certain amount of intimidation. He fears ad hominem attacks and what he calls "clichéd innuendos" [by which he means terms like un-Biblical, un-orthodox, un-Christian, and even heretical]. These words he thinks will threaten lasting dialogue.

It's regrettable that Tony Jones has not allowed Burke's fears to inform his own ministry.

The third of the advertisements for The New Christians has been released for our amusement. It includes a profound and scholarly discussion of the meaning of skubalon, and contains no small irritation that bookstores will therefore not carry his book.

In the discussion [mark: 6:00] Jones flings charges against those, such as John Hagee and Benny Hinn, who are "clearly preaching heterodox doctrine". That sounds a tad judgmental to me; I wonder if Spencer Burke was invited to sit down on a sofa and discuss this properly.

Maybe Spencer Burke did have something to worry about.

Webisode One dealt with the calling of a divorced and suicidal prophet and exemplar of the New Christian.
Webisode Two dealt with the church's heart-rending rejection of a misbehaving girl.
Webisode Three deals with a Christian bookstore which requested that employees not fraternize with Trucker Frank.

If you were the spokesbloke for a reformation in the 21st Century, is this the gospel you would be spreading? We keep hearing about being on the cusp of a new century and on the brink of a new reformation, but all we see are these less-than-inspiring advertisements about the socially inept venting petty resentments toward established religion.

I wonder when we will see something less trivial?

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1 Comment from: mason [Visitor] Email · http://www.masonmurch,wordpress.com
There is so much "Meology" in that video where would one begin critiquing?

I'll just say this. The objections of the clerk were fascinating; "we would work - talk, talk, then work." I will have to side with the manager: Work is for work,she isn't paid to have private conversations. Trucker Frank may buy books but he doesn't pay wages.
PermalinkPermalink 05/06/08 @ 05:17

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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Well of course we start by observing the facts.

You don’t have to buy this book, just go to a bookstore which carries it, turn to page 89 and read the memo. It is entirely reasonable; it is even gracious: it invites the employees to continue their conversation after work hours.

Jones’s salesgirl makes it sound like Frank Schutzwohl is being attacked for “asking questions” or being “too rebellious for corporate retail” or “maybe being too Christian”.

Then turn to page 244 and check out note #19: “This purloined copy of the memo was leaked to me by an anonymous source. It appears here, unedited, in all its Schrutian glory.”

This is why guys like Jay C. will never be persuasive when they complain about my sarcasm. Tony Jones is acting like a twerp. I don’t know who chose Tony to be the national coordinator but it was a big mistake. Emergents are as snarky as they want to be, and when they meet resistance they whine like children on a long trip.

Tony is documenting the hypocrisy.

This is turning out to be a very comical and disappointing reformation.
PermalinkPermalink 05/06/08 @ 07:28

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3 Comment from: Jay C. [Visitor] Email
My problem with what you say has only to do with Emergents by way of association. My initial problem had to do with your claims about politics as it relates to Jesus's ministry and some corollary issues about eschatology. These kinds of issues are raised by people outside the Emergent movement. One particular example would be someone like N.T. Wright, bishop of Durham over in England, who I have heard give his own critique of the Emergent movement. So while this is a worthy goal to critique someone you think is wrong (perhaps even really wrong), realize that the issues they raise go far beyond the individuals who raise them. I don't mind your critique of Tony Jones (even in principle of Kevin C, though I might disagree with how you went about it) and I feel no need to defend Tony Jones, though he may have some overlapping beliefs with me.
PermalinkPermalink 05/07/08 @ 10:04

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