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Beyond Complacency

05/19/08

Permalink 06:03:29 am, by dissidens Email , 283 words, 351 views   English (US)
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Beyond Complacency

A fool can ask a question a wise man can't answer.

There is a new book by David Wells, The Courage to Be Protestant, which probably merits your attention. I have not seen it yet but there is a brief related interview in Christianity Today with Collin Hansen.

It seems clear to me that Hansen doesn't know what is going on and his questions are typical of the bookblather CT heartlessly inflicts on its readers. I say that to warn our readers that what looks to me like a somewhat feeble argument by Wells might be Hansen's fault. A series of questions which represents the state of evangelical thinking are followed by a series of answers which I hope were intended to be a polite response aimed at thinking pastors standing behind unthinking editors.

I do have one early misgiving: Wells says that our capacity to think about ourselves, our churches and our world in biblical ways is disintegrating.

Ok, that much isn't in dispute. Clearly there is a lack of proper thought. But for one who thinks, as Wells does, that guys like Hybels are sincere religious innovators working from best motives, it is a bit frightening.

We think as we do about truth, God, self, Christ, and the church, because our thinking has been corrupted, and I suspect we can't nuance our way back to clear thinking. The fact that Hybels and McLaren and Jones are transparently bad thinkers only makes it seem so.

As Eliot said, it is not that we can't believe as we should, it is that we cannot feel as we ought.

I look forward to getting Hansen out of the way and reading Wells for myself.

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1 Comment from: Pitchford [Visitor] Email · http://www.pitch.fitzage.com
I'm halfway through it right now. I'd say it's definitely worth your time, at least from what I've read so far.
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Yes, I have every confidence in Wells; I'm just hoping there is more here than Hansen suggests.
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3 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
Yes, this was one of the freebies given away at the T4G conference. The assortment of books handed out (about 15-17) was an interesting mix of thoughtfulness on the part of the authors and wincing on the part of the readers.

Most of them will make it on my "To Read" list. Also of possible interest to Remonstrans on this list was Carson's Christ and Culture Revisited and Kauflin's Worship Matters (remember thoughtfulness and wincing).
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4 Comment from: Bob Bixby [Visitor] Email
Wells may have been more delicate in the interview (I haven't read it), but in his book his disdain for the Church Growth Movement people is not even disguised.

"...this effort at finding new ways to 'do' church has rested on a naivete so enormous, so breathtakingly unrealistic and untrue, that it puts the rest of teh church, who may have noticed what the marketers are up to, in quite an awkward position. What do yoiu say to a friend doing embarrassing things in a public place? Do you keep silent and simply hope, for his or her sake, that others will not notice? Or do you risk embarrassing that person by telling him or her that what he or she is doing is unacceptable? I have chosen to tell" (p.44).

It's a must read.
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5 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Your comment found me on my return from a round of my bookstores. The Wells will have to be ordered on-line.

Patience is a virtue I keep telling me.

Is Carson any better than Niebuhr?
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6 Comment from: WLJ [Visitor] Email
Did this guy read the book in its entirety? His questions ignore many of the pertinent points made by Wells.

"In the last two or three decades evangelicals have discovered culture. That actually sounds more flattering than I intend. I would welcome a serious discussion about culture. We should be exploring what it is and how it works, rather than just looking at polls to see what is hot. A serious engagement with culture, though, is not what most evangelicals are about." (page three)

Too bad Hansen didn't probe Wells about his cutting introduction of the evangelical landscape.
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7 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Yah, both of these comments square more or less with my impressions.

Wells has not been at all shy about what is wrong with contemporary Christianity. Hansen’s questions struck me as totally oblivious to everything Wells has said. I got the impression as well that Hansen never read the book; that he was merely posing questions some assistant had printed out for him ten minutes before the interview.
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8 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
dissidens,

I'm uncertain about whether Carson's book is better than Niebuhr's. Carson's is on my "YET to read" list, and I'm undecided as to whether or not to place Niebuhr on my "read AGAIN" list. As I recall, it was good for opening a debate, but it seemed too small a slice of the questions to be asked.
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9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
Yes, and as I recall, the categories too vague to be useful. That's why I was curious about Carson's.

But no matter, I'll prolly order both.
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10 Comment from: Bob Bixby [Visitor] Email
I completed Well's "The Courage to be Protestant" while Gabriel Faure's Roman Catholic Mass played in my headset. It was unplanned, but it doesn't take much of an imagination to guess what kind of emotions I couldn't help but feeling. It was as if the Mass was sung simultaneously as Protestantism gasped.

Strange.
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