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Certainty Or Certainty About Certain Things

08/08/08

Permalink 05:13:55 am, by dissidens Email , 616 words, 353 views   English (US)
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Certainty Or Certainty About Certain Things

Someone asked what sort of people one might find at the Church Basement mock revival. Check out these sofa spud reformers. You might want to go back and reread the opening of John Bunyan's

The Pilgrim's Journey

From This World to That Which is to Come;

Delivered under the Similitude of a Nightmare


Imagine Pilgrim laboring under his heavy pack and hearing the good news from Emerging Evangelist as he appears from behind a nearby bush.

 

Why do you think that so many people are questioning the traditional ways of doing church?

I think so many people are searching for authenticity that if something doesn't appear or seem authentic, then they question, and then when they question they will look for another place to find authenticity to express themselves and to be fed and to mull over things that resonate of reality, not just something that's fabricated.

And here's an idea like unto it:

I think a lot of people are questioning the ways they've been doing church because to be quite honest people are getting tired of doing church. They'll look for something that's real and they're tired of being fed, like, religion so I think that's why people are tired of the traditional ways of church.

While I consider it an unforgivable abuse of human speech, I took the liberty of transcribing this short treatise on faith: Helen's Uncertainty Principle.

Make of it what you can.

 

Do you feel like you're finding faith or losing it?
How does this make you feel?

I'm Helen Howell and I'm from Birmingham, Alabama.

I feel like I'm finding faith. I feel like I'm redefining faith; whereas I used to hold faith to be believing correctly and having a checklist of certain things to believe that I had to believe in order to be right with God or be acceptable to God. I'm finding that faith incorporates a lot more things than just certainty or certainty about certain things. So whereas I used to consider faith being certain about certain things, having a checklist, of scriptures I have to know, and being certain of what certain scriptures meant and never doubting that and never looking for a new interpretation, rather now coming to understand faith is incorporating doubt and faith as incorporating change and faith being a journey, involves mistakes and it's messy. I recently read an author who's talking about Derrida. Derrida said that in French pas means two different things, it means "step" as well as a "misstep" and applying that to journey, so when stepping, it's inevitable that we will misstep, when journeying it is inevitable that we will make mistakes. And so coming to understand faith is just setting out on the path and that faith is going to look different in different times and faith not being the feeling that I have arrived. I believe everything I am supposed to believe, I understand everything I'm suppose to understand correctly that there is some sort of indubitable foundation, but rather refusing to ever think that I have arrived, that I don't need to continue to grow or seek or to admit that my understandings were wrong. So faith is being much more of an adventure into the unknown and that's very freeing. I no longer have to fear that if I don't understand something correctly that I'm no longer right with God or that my fellow Christians, brothers and sisters from different Christian traditions aren't right with God because we don't understand things the same way.

So, that's all.

I'm sure more could have been said, and perhaps more was added in explanation of what was already disclosed. Maybe there's another disk.

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1 Comment from: WLJ [Visitor] Email · http://www.cogitavi.wordpress.com
"It runs in my mind that this is one By-Ends of Fair speech (whose ancestors were Mr. Facing Both Ways and Mr. Anything)and if it be he, we have as very a knave in our company that dwelleth in all these parts."
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2 Comment from: chris [Visitor] Email
Supper at Helen's house is serendipitous at best if she applies this logic to her cooking.
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3 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
It just wasn't good enough to redefine the content of faith - she had to redefine faith.

egregiously bad faith

Notice her pop understanding of Derrida. You find this tripe all over the emergent carcass. They use Derrida and Foucault in the same conscientious manner that Fundamentalists abuse texts in the KJV.

Apparently, Scott Johnson made an pas when he shot four teenagers in Niagara, WI. It was a misstep, but it was an exercise in faith. That's good, right?

And as far as the connection to Bunyan's observation of human nature; Solomon told us that there is nothing new under the sun.
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4 Comment from: danofsteel [Member] Email
Where can I find these "traditional ways of doing church" people are questioning?

I'm weary of the current stagecraft.
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5 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

danofsteel:

Emergents nurse a profound ignorance of what constitutes “tradition”. It would be amusing to ask them for a definition of tradition and for an opinion on its proper use.
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6 Comment from: - the entity formerly known as MAS [Member] Email
I'm pretty sure that statements and paragraphs like these should be laughed at and then ignored. Or just ignored. Listen, that statement from Helen was considerably harder to understand than anything I've ever read by John Owen; one attempts to follow the logic only to stumble upon a bottomless nothing.

If you continue to note such absurdities, I may be forced to withdraw to a corner and weep. Perhaps that would be better - sarcasm aside, this sort of thinking will earn the Emergents much worse than a Divine snicker.
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7 Comment from: - the entity formerly known as MAS [Member] Email
WLJ:

Exquisitely well-chosen quote.
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8 Comment from: danofsteel [Member] Email
The danger of ignoring the emergents is that we may not notice that our own churches are moving in the same direction. Sadly, observing the emergents is instructive.
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