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Wailing Sirens

09/29/08

Permalink 06:17:36 am, by dissidens Email , 273 words, 321 views   English (US)
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Wailing Sirens

The emergent church has been shaken by the recent question: What is the difference between emergent church, emergence and emergency? In this emergency the first-responders are Doug Pagitt and Tony Jones, and the scramble for definitions has been amusing. The Keystone Cops are called to lower Manhattan.

Apparently everything must change; but not so much as to leave the leaders of this movement without a confused following, for crying out loud!

Here is Doug's "little reflection"; we hope you find it somewhat more helpful than his commenters have. Tony Jones reasons—if "reasons" is the right word—that "where we all go from here will have more to do with that to which God is calling us than to any labels".

Odd. Here was a movement not about definitions and ideas, but about "ethos" and "vibe". Now it is engaged in nice little distinctions between words and subsets of words, labels and subsets of labels, movements and subsets of movements.

Tony thinks it's all a question of NSMs, which he has learned from the sociologists means New Social Movements. [By the way, aren't sociologists scientists and suffering under "platonic" delusions? Aren't they the labelers of social groups?]

Anyway, the NSMs that excite Tony's imagination are cultural and social: civil rights, GLBT (people whose sexual identity is under cataclysmic deconstruction), environmentalism and feminism. Fret not thyself that these are merely a bunch of labels for lefty political alignments.

Apparently God is calling them to social upheaval, racial resentments, sexual perversion, economic extortion, gender ambivalence....

Moses would be so proud.

And St. Paul.

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1 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
Perhaps we need to take a page out of history and write this cute set of serial articles and then have them published together as a monograph. I think the title ought to be something like Christianity and Emergentisms.

Perhaps one could point out the classic style of false religion's capitulation to prevailing public opinion. We won't even honor this with the agrarian term, 'culture.'

There is substantially nothing different between this and Israel's awhoring after the gods of the nations.

Have we not imbibed enough of Aaron's golden concoction?

Will God send prophets? Even if He does our hearts will be heavy and our ears stopped.

ethos and vibe?

Is this how they characterize the Ooze?

More like a spiritual brothel. I suppose it would have ethos and vibe.
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
I gotta say it’s been a real hoot. Brother Maynard is also a hoot of some note.

I enjoyed this survey of opinions among the Who’s Who of a now-derelict movement: Andrew Jones, Bob Hyatt, Dan Kimball, Tony Jones, Scot McKnight….

http://www.the-next-wave-ezine.info/issue117/index.cfm?id=40&ref=COVERSTORY

They said everything had to change and, lo and behold, it did!

Be careful what you wish for.


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3 Comment from: Sofros [Visitor] Email
"This book is my story of interacting with a version of Christianity I knew of and finding myself wanting to keep going in the development of my beliefs but often fidning that the system that welcomed me into faith and care for me deeply was not always hospitable to seeing the expression and understanding of the faith change. I never felt jilted by the version of faith I was welcomed into, rather I was inspired to keep going, to keep creating, to keep participating. This book is part of that journey."

http://dougpagitt.com/category/a-christianity-worth-believing

Is it possible for the expression and understanding of the faith to change without changing kinds of Christianity (I use MacLaren's word "kind")? And does Pagitt really think that there is more than one acceptable kind of Christian? I think that the apostle Paul would have been much more exclusive in his presentation.
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4 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I believe all the Apostles would be chagrined to learn what we’ve done with their Gospel.

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5 Comment from: WLJ [Visitor] Email · http://www.cogitavi.wordpress.com
There are so many logical fallacies and inconsistencies in what they are saying, I really can't comprehend their meaning at all. Though I suppose it doesn't really matter, I can just spin my own interpretation of what I think these terms mean and it will be okay. Right?
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6 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Absolutely!

I think you can pretty much say whatever you want; we just request that if you make one word do the work of five or six that you compensate it fairly and that it gets all the lunch breaks mandated by law.

If sexuality can be aimed at the eschaton, I’m sure you won’t start a black hole by redefining all our words beyond recognition.
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7 Comment from: Sofros [Visitor] Email
Is there even such thing as meaning anymore (at least to them)? Me thinketh they have been reading far too much Rorty, Foucoult, and Derrida for their own good. Who will deconstruct the deconstructionists?
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8 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

It has already auto-deconstructed. Apparently not everyone got the memo. I think we are dealing here with intellects we might charitably call surpassingly negligible.

Back in 1996 Alan Sokol wrote a parody which was naively published in Social Text. It was a delicious hoax.

You might find this amusing:

Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals’ Abuse of Science
Picador, 1998.
ISBN: 0-312-20407-8

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9 Comment from: threegirldad [Visitor] Email
I believe all the Apostles would be chagrined to learn what we’ve done with their Gospel.


What?! No "generous orthodoxy" for them??? Hmmmm...
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10 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I don’t want to be the one to tell the sons of thunder what we did with their Gospel, and I sure don’t want to mention to John the high regard we have for the word.
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