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An End Of Profanity

03/09/09

Permalink 06:34:33 am, by dissidens Email , 459 words, 1180 views   English (US)
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An End Of Profanity

I have been accused of being pessimistic. (I know, I know; where's that coming from?) And there is a class of people out there which will tolerate bad news only as prelude to a glib, uncomplicated solution. I myself have occasionally even been called a curmudgeon!

It's rare, but whenever it happens it hurts me deeply.

I blame television for this. I sometimes think that TV is not so bad for its gratuitous sex and violence—which by its very nature is compelled to shock us to continue achieving its end. With that shock might come recognition and repugnance. But where the idiot box really destroys the soul is in its facile description of a problem and its brainless promise of a solution.

Anyway, I recently chatted with someone who wondered what would have to take place before liturgical reform could take place. I told him I thought maybe a Vesuvian pyroclastic flow might do the trick. Obviously I'm way too much of a Pollyanna to qualify as a curmudgeon. Any qualified volcanologist will tell you there aren't enough volcanos in the world.

But I do think some preliminary tremors, some wisps of white smoke, might come as signs of hope.

When we begin to take note of our heritage and when we recognize our obligation to that heritage, perhaps then something useful can happen.

There is this old, creaky article on the web by Calvin Stapert which might help. This was posted over eight years ago, but most of you know by now that if you want some swank, cobbled nonsense, you need to click on Christianity Today dotcom. I think this remembrance of JSB's thought might help you sort through our mess.

And I will remind you of some truths voiced on these premises. A solution might emerge, d.v., when:

     a) we dedicate ourselves to art
     b) we elevate our theological knowledge, and
     c) we perceive that we are rooted in a tradition

We can repeat the twaddle about being relevant, but we know after 60 years of pursuing relevance that we haven't got the stamina. Relevance means nothing without a context in our tradition. Any change worthy of our attention will necessarily be a synthesis of what is fresh with what is permanent.

 

P.S. And lest bmp (or any of our readers) misapprehend the meaning of this poem, I can tell you it was written by George Herbert. George's mother was a patron of John Donne. This graduate of Trinity College, Cambridge, and beloved rector at Bemerton also said, as Stapert reminds us: "With my utmost art I praise thee". The thee spoken of in that sentence is presumably the same one with whom Ron Hamilton and Clif Boyce claim some acquaintance.

Go figure.

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1 Comment from: bmp [Visitor] Email
Since I provided no commentary to the Herbert poem, I'm curious what misapprehension you believe I have made.
PermalinkPermalink 03/18/09 @ 21:36

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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I don’t say you misapprehended anything. Given the context of the recent run of posts and comments, I wanted to make sure no one did misapprehend: “Lest [you] or any of our readers misapprehend…”.

Lest any.

Some might have concluded that Herbert, in saying “Whereas if the heart be moved/Although the verse be somewhat scant/God doth supply the want", was arguing that art was not an issue, that mere good intentions sufficed.

I think it’s clear that Herbert is not saying that, but we have seen disputes over far less nuanced statements than his.

I just wanted to point out the context that disposes of any feeble excuse for artless worship.
PermalinkPermalink 03/18/09 @ 22:16

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3 Comment from: bmp [Visitor] Email
You've stated what these lines do not mean. What do they mean?
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/09 @ 07:39

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4 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Well, blackmambaprof, I think it's pretty clear this poem is about the pre-tribulational rapture.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/09 @ 11:00

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5 Comment from: bmp [Visitor] Email
What have I said or done that evoked this response?
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/09 @ 19:13

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6 Comment from: Unk [Visitor] Email
Lol. Why is it, the snake in the grass asked, they treat me like I'm some kind of snake in the grass?
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/09 @ 19:55

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7 Comment from: bmp [Visitor] Email
There's no argument as effective as the art of scorn. I am nevertheless still interested in how Dissidens interprets Herbert's meaning in "A True Hymn." So far I have learned that he thinks that I may have misapprehended its meaning, and he has told me what Herbert does not mean.

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8 Comment from: the divine passive [Visitor] Email
Obviously, whatever your heart delights to mutter is good enough to call worship. Circus music, tavern ballads, death metal, scores found wadded up in Walt Disney's trash, whatever: just gather a panel of junior high kids to draft some self-centered mantras that sound sorta religious to adorn them, and there you go. God takes care of the rest! It's so easy, and nobody has to disregard what he or she likes to conform to any sort of norm. Just ask Nadab and Abihu.

Isn't this interpretation evident from the rest of Herbert's work?
PermalinkPermalink 03/20/09 @ 05:59

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9 Comment from: bmp [Visitor] Email
If Herbert's lines mean that "whatever your heart delights to mutter is good enough to call worship," then I would certainly disagree him. As you correctly point out, his life and work argue against such an interpretation.

However, Herbert has said something regarding the critiquing of "scant lines," an activity which we were invited to do in the post that included "Here Is Love Vast As The Ocean." I do not believe Herbert's statement in "The Temple" to be in conflict with his statement in "A True Hymn," but I do believe that a statement by a master poet regarding criticism should be considered and discussed by those of us who reject the popular forms of worship in Fundamentalism and Evangelism.

But to do so we need to move beyond what he did not mean.
PermalinkPermalink 03/20/09 @ 10:49

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10 Comment from: bmp [Visitor] Email
Since no one has offered a possible interpretation of what Herbert does mean in "A True Hymn" (as opposed to what he does not mean), I offer these lines (not my own) inspired by Genesis 22:9 as a potential starting point.

Sorrowing Abraham

("And Abraham built an altar there")

My God to Thee

I raise the fragments of my unsuccess.
To bring a rubbled sacrifice seems wrong;
Yet Thou a broken spirit once didst bless,
And draw from shattered minstrelsy a song.

I had in mind to build for Thee a fane,
Whose vaulted roofs and spires would rise toward heaven,
And from whose court a sky-inspiring flame
Would beacon to the world what Thou hadst given.

Though not a temple, let these shards become
Those untooled hilltop stones the wilderness
Once furnished at a future temple's home
Collected by a man in sore distress.

Lord, may it be.
PermalinkPermalink 03/25/09 @ 11:30

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11 Comment from: bmp [Visitor] Email
Some additional lines relevant to the topic of judging art and its value (and use) in worship.

If bliss had lien in art or strength,
None but the wise or strong had gained it:
Where now by Faith all arms are of a length;
One size doth all conditions fit.

A peasant may believe as much
As a great Clerk, and reach the highest stature.
Thus dost thou make proud knowledge bend and crouch
While grace fills up uneven nature.


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Shouting Children

("And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased, And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?" Matthew 21:15-16
"And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out." Luke 19:39-40)

Ancient of Days

And Son of Man in One, before whom all
The ages dance and bow, and heaven unseams
To show to humble sight Thy royal hall
And jewel-wrought city, struck aglow in beams

Whose beauty beggars starlight and the moon,
Brilliance the sun; famed architect of time
And timelessness, Thyself chief cornerstone
Of living temples free of earthly grime--

Vain lords of enmity could not confine
With surly sanctimony the small length
Of infant voices. And when shards like mine
Take up their theme, both child and stone join strength

And cry Thy praise.

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12 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Very true and beautifully-rendered thoughts.
PermalinkPermalink 05/29/09 @ 09:53

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