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A Lack Of Style

04/10/09

Permalink 05:36:27 am, by dissidens Email , 1030 words, 720 views   English (US)
Categories: Cafe Perplexa

A Lack Of Style

Friday, often the most hopeful of all the weekdays, was promising to fall well short of its potential: Nat saw Phil get out of his car and start following his Jesus Saves belt buckle toward the café. He gave some thought to the feasibility of shouting FIRE! and running from the building, but he feared that next time Phil might turn it into some personal evangelism schtick.

Phil: Beautiful morning, isn't it, Nat? Hardly a cloud in the sky.

Nat: And those no bigger than a man's hand. Did you give any more thought to our discussion?

Phil: Yes I did, and I think you're being unfair relating the things you despise with all of fundamentalism. It's not monolithic, you know.

Nat: So people keep telling me. You'd be surprised how many fundamentalists tell me there is nothing wrong with their culture until I show them some loathsome example; then all of a sudden that's not part of their fundamentalism. They don't have to answer for that! It's a very modular movement apparently. They can run radio stations, publishing houses and recording labels, and the only people truly responsible can't be touched because they are "God's anointed", and the people who scarf it up can deny their complicity.

Phil: So you deny their claims.

Nat: Nonsense; I don't deny their claims. I just know they aren't valid arguments and they won't distract me from what is important. These people were not especially eager to exercise this gift of facile distinctions when they condemned others. All their enemies were conveniently monolithic. If one of them sneezed they all had the Plague.

No, my point is not about the exceptions, it's about the rule. Anyone can try to give an explanation for a part, but it takes a certain level of integrity and critical acumen to explain the whole. I think this is where the movement really savaged itself. And as I said last time, this is why the movement is dead. It is not we who suffered from this adolescent evasiveness, ultimately it was the movement.

Phil: I don't see it that way.

Nat: How do you see it?

Phil: We were fighting to preserve essentials, non-essentials may have gotten lost in the scuffle. No one is perfect.

Nat: What essentials did you preserve?

Phil: The essentials of the Faith.

Nat: The Fundamentals.

Phil: Yes!

Nat: But that's really not true, is it? You attempted to preserve a small subset of those essentials; a thumbnail sketch of all that is necessary to preserve true faith during a particular moment of crisis. Were it not for Modernism those "essentials" might have been very different. A different enemy would have produced a different reaction. And that would have been a necessary thing! I'm not saying that those doctrines were not at risk, and I'm not saying that they weren't worth defending; I am saying that you succeeded in defining the conflict of a historical moment. What was not preserved was an entire orthodoxy. Look at your liturgy. Look at your entertainments. Look at your power structure. Look at the institutions that are unsympathetic to the sensibilities of their people.

Phil: That's very easy for you to say with the benefit of hindsight.

Nat: Yes and No; it is easy for me to say because many of these shortcomings didn't require my own observations, but neither do those observations come from hindsight. This is what people like Machen anticipated when they embraced your idea yet rejected your movement. This is what people like Tulga reported when these "essentials" began morphing to include things like pre-trib and pre-mill eschatologies, and when he noted the "dominating and domineering" spirit which was reading out of the movement people who nevertheless embraced those infamous "essentials".

This is what people like Tozer were talking about when they criticized this headstrong and spiritually inattentive strain of Christianity.

You felt very put-upon by critics outside your movement: you should have been more sensitive to the criticism of those who still embraced the "essentials". But that didn't happen. Now you are free to bicker over Bible translations, which schools tend to produce "neo-evangelical" graduates and which schools are too influenced by Calvinism or Finneyism.

And this just addresses the matter of your so-called "essentials". No, I don't think you preserved any essentials in a productive way. Furthermore I think that failure is just a rough schematic for the larger problem today. Even if you did enjoy solidarity on all those issues you presently squabble over, you still have the problem of a generation of fundies who don't begin to share the sensibilities of their forebears.

People don't love God because their doctrines pass muster. Look at this movement now being entertained by bad knock-offs of The Office, The Music Man, and any number of operas. Have you ever read a libretto, Phil?

Phil: Not really; I know some general storylines.

Nat: You dismiss all this as stylistic differences and non-essentials, but we know now in 2009 what you didn't know in 1925.

No, your vaunted "orthodoxy" is a necessary but insufficient ground for modern piety, and your leaders are oblivious to that fact; they even resent having it pointed out to them. Our kids will now grow up with Calvary's Blood and similar Steve Pettit fluff.

But tell me about your fundamentalism. Where would I go to find a culturally informed and aesthetically appropriate form of Fundamentalism? Bear in mind: it doesn't much matter what you like or dislike. I'm not asking what your family listens to around the dinner table. What matters is that larger set of shared virtues and ideas, that metaphysical dream that will shape the worship of the next generations.

Where would I find that, Phil?  Where does this Fundamentalist style come from? Greenville? Minneapolis? Detroit? Dunbar? Cedarville? Pensacola? Watertown? Clearwater? It is as easy to dismiss your critics today as it was yesterday, but I think the burden falls on you to a) show us an acceptable Christian culture for the 21st Century, or b) explain why it has become unnecessary.

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1 Comment from: lilrabbi [Visitor] Email
"Hardly a cloud in the sky.

Nat: And those no bigger than a man's hand."

"Many of the faithful were slow to see the threat of Modernism. As of 1875 it was surely a cloud no bigger than a man’s hand, but by 1910 it had become an army with banners."
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

And even fewer saw the threat from the reaction to Modernism.
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3 Comment from: regulative [Visitor] Email
Could you paint us a picture of what you think the answer would have been? You do speak in riddles at times. And this isn't because I don't think your answer would be wrong. I just want to hear at least the cliffs notes version of it in plain language, something that maybe even Phil could understand. I think your answer wraps itself around this that you wrote: "you still have the problem of a generation of fundies who don't begin to share the sensibilities of their forebears" and "we know now in 2009 what you didn't know in 1925." I wonder if Machen, Tozer, or Tulga could fit what you think should have been done.

I'm guessing that you would help a lot of people out if you would give a synopsis with names included.

We hear the names now that you are giving, but I want to know exactly where you think we went off the track and why and who was most responsible.
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4 Comment from: Sofros [Visitor] Email
What would a local church with right sensibilities look like - and how would you go about taking a church with wrong sensibilities and steer them towards right ones?
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5 Comment from: the divine passive [Visitor] Email
regulative and sofros,

I'm pretty sure dissidens' point for writing this way is that you think it through for yourself. It's worth your time. He has given you all the pieces you need, now you have to sequester yourselves and do the work.
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6 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Sofros:

The first part of your question is easy because it can be answered in the abstract. The local church would have a sanctified altar and pulpit. Liturgy, preaching and instruction would not be obstacles to piety. All of this “blended worship” (whether called that explicitly by evangelical types or the de facto blended worship of fundamentalist types) would be tossed into the closest dumpster with many loud hosannas.

The local church would be comfortable in joining the Church Universal in assent with the whole, the sum of the Christian faith. It would mean, for instance, that when an unregenerate man walked into a church, he would not mistake it for a freak show, a PBS begathon, a U2 concert or a Lawrence Welk reunion.

That just isn’t going to happen.

The second part, changing the sensibilities of millions of people is the work of thinkers, poets and critics.

We excommunicated them years ago.

(We also put red dots on their books.)
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7 Comment from: Dede [Visitor] Email
Perhaps some of us could ask Nat some questions?
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8 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
"This is what people like Tulga reported when these "essentials" began morphing to include things like pre-trib and pre-mill eschatologies, and when he noted the "dominating and domineering" spirit which was reading out of the movement people who nevertheless embraced those infamous "essentials"."
dissidens,

I'm familiar with Tulga's contending that premillennialism was a doctrine worth separating over, but I'm not as familiar with this somewhat more domestic squabble. In "Premillennial or Amillennial?" (http://heaven77.50webs.com/preoram.html) he makes a case that separation should occur over the the distinctions between millenarian views, but he declines to comment on tribulational positions. Could you point me to some documentation?

thanks, XL
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9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Dede:

Yah, about that.

Actually, there would be no problem in asking Nat anything you like, but perhaps a word of warning might be timely.

Nat and dissidens grew up together and shared many formative childhood experiences. Anyone who knew the young men during those early years will tell you that Nat was not as cherubic a lad as dissidens. The summer music camp disciplinary committee began to show an interest in Nat after an unfortunate incident wherein Nat allegedly soaked a rival’s clarinet reeds in some sort of adhesive which played havoc with the evening’s recital and the boy’s promising career.

While dissidens was lapping up the milk of human kindness like a houseful of kittens, it was discovered that Nat was lactose intolerant.

A word to the wise.
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10 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

exlibris:

Yes.

Your point is accurate with reference to Tulga’s views.

What I am referring to is a paper—to my knowledge never formally published—called A REVIEW OF “HARD CORE vs SOFT POLICY”. It is a six page review of an article that appeared (Volume 9 Number 7) in the Information Bulletin of the CBA.

On page 3, Roman Numeral II, number one: The hard core makes pre-tribulation dispensationalism a condition of fellowship.
It is not wrong to be a dispensationalist. It is wrong to make this fairly recent interpretation a test of fellowship when there is no basis whatever in the Scriptures for making pre-tribulationism a test of fellowship. Were the hardcore not a prisoner of their ideology, and better acquainted with Baptist theology they would know that what they glibly call the historic Baptist position did not include pretribulation.

In recent times there has always been premillennialists who were pre or post tribulationists. They existed before new evangelicalism came on the scene. The South has many orthodox brethren who are either pre-tribulationists, mid-tribulationists, post-tribulationists, or partial rapture advocates. These views are not used as tests of fellowship. To equate premillennialists. amillennialists and post tribulationists with the soft policy group is to confuse the issue. We prefer historic Baptist theology to confusion offered by the hard core.

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