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Loosing Faith

06/12/09

Permalink 05:22:36 am, by dissidens Email , 515 words, 1476 views   English (US)
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Loosing Faith

We must admit we were warned: we were told that everything had to change. So sure enough, change started kicking in. McLaren vamoosed. Pagitt is off pretending to be an economist. Tony Jones (who with no evidence at all regards himself an over-educated white man) magnanimously stepped down as National Coordinator of the Emergent Village. Then we saw a bunch of wannabes posting announcements on YouTube of their intentions to step up and fill the vacancy.

This was a "decentralization of power".

Now come the complaints, the whinging, and the back-stabbing. It's like an FBFI annual "fellowship" after they pass out the namecards and knives. Villagers are disillusioned, energy is down, spirits are low. You can examine the debris field thither and yon.

Two extremely intelligent and very articulate Villagers published a real thoughtfest on the web. It began with Zach Lind, a drummer, saying to Nick, his good friend:

Basically I was like, you know, I read what you said, and I had like, cuz see, I kinda come at it from a different perspective, like I totally don't begrudge frustration or anything like that, but I'm kind of wondering like, I guess for me it was sort of like, I understand it, but like, what is, what was your expectation, you know, like I guess, that's me, it seems like the hardest part to swallow about what you're saying is you sort of said that you and your friends expected everything to kind of change and it's not really changing you know. Do you think it's not changing at all, or do you think it's just not changing as quickly as you would like it to?

Emergence is a "conversation", ironically.

Then we read this from a hopeful skeptic:

Emergent is de-centralizing, loosing leadership, and ten odd years into it, it still hasn't been able to define itself completely. As it struggles to define itself, some of us loose faith in it.

So what am I saying, that I don't like Emergent? No. Just that I guess some of us where hoping that everything would change, and it seems that the only thing that has changed is we have seen the group get dispersed and less potent.

Maybe it's our fault for not putting in our two cents early on. Maybe it's the fact that the leadership of Emergent was too accommodating to really define themselves in a way to produce a movement. Maybe I was stuck on the idea of revolution and movement, and it was only a conversation.

They where [sic] hoping everything would change, but that didn't happen. So we still have a bunch of friends with a website and a 501(c)3 tax-exempt classification, but we now also have a map.

And good luck with that map thingy! That looks like something that could really help you retain leadership and define the conversation/movement/ethos/whatever.

Let us all fervently hope the Villagers can sort through this loss of faith so they can focus their mighty intellects on ending poverty, war, and environmental destruction.

 

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1 Comment from: sofros [Visitor] Email
The problem is, as soon as they define themselves, they become more irrelevant than they already are. By the very nature of who they are, they cannot and will not define their position. That action would demonstrate that they really are the modernists that they claim not to be.
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2 Trackback from: Lower Wisdom [Visitor]
Emergence and Joachim of Fiore
I have Dissidens to thank for making me aware of “Emergence”, a piece of idolatrous performance art posing as an “evolution” of the Church.  Even the Emergents themselves aren’t sure what they stand for, but the primary thrust of their mess...
PermalinkPermalink 06/13/09 @ 10:47

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3 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
sofros:

Poor people, warring nations and the planet itself all wait for these 501(c)3 friends to work through their disappointment and get on with their, like, you know, sort of, basically I guess, conversation.
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4 Comment from: sofros [Visitor] Email
Dissidens,

Aren't those the very people whom they claim that they are trying to help? There is no real help until the one who comes to whom it belongs and unto him shall the gathering of the people be...
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5 Comment from: the divine passive [Visitor] Email
Alas, they're being eaten by the despair they were trying to "emerge" from.
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6 Comment from: Joshua Allen [Visitor] Email
My pastor mentioned "Emergents" (in a negative sense) from the pulpit this morning. I was glad to have been educated enough to know what he was talking about.

I'm still amazed that you take the time to filter through all of the junk and pick out nuggets like this for our enjoyment. It's a great sacrifice for humankind.

I barely have time to keep up with the blogs of people who I actually respect.
PermalinkPermalink 06/14/09 @ 11:15

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7 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

sofros:

Maybe they have a cunning plan to rise from the ashes and set a shining example for the poor, down-trodden and confused.


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8 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
dp:

They’ve been saying that doubt is the new faith; maybe despair is the new hope.

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9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Josh:

Well, comical as it is, it’s not for anyone’s enjoyment, and I don’t consider it a sacrifice so much as a duty. I think this is one of the lessons of history that the apron-string fundies failed to learn.

We must fight today’s battles, not fall back to tell tall tales about yesterday’s heroes. What interests me less are these inept people. What interests me more is the credulity of their audiences.

This is both our legacy and our mission field!


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10 Comment from: Joshua Allen [Visitor] Email
dissidens: Yeah, I was making light of the situation. This all is a real eye-opener for me. Nearly all of my friends and colleagues for the past 20 years are atheists and secularists, and it's not uncommon for them to express very anti-Christian sentiments to me. I'm intimately familiar with the mental processes of such people. However, I hadn't really expected to see such large contingents of "Christians" expressing anti-Christ sentiments. Why would these Emergents (and "crossless Christians", etc.) even bother calling themselves Christian? That is *seriously* messed up.
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11 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

For all their bluster and affectation, their hearts are idol factories as well.

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12 Comment from: the divine passive [Visitor] Email
"Despair is the new hope." That has a marketable ring to it! It would look great on a T-shirt, or perhaps, a telescreen! Time for a conference: I'll phone the psych wards for keynote speakers, you mix the kool-aid!
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13 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I fear that psych ward inmates may be over-qualified.

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14 Comment from: Steve K. [Visitor] Email · http://www.knightopia.com/blog
"Despair is the new hope." I like it. Definitely market that.
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15 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Somehow I knew you'd like it.

PermalinkPermalink 06/15/09 @ 18:45

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16 Comment from: Jacob [Visitor]
Wow, such an excess of Christian love on this blog. Godspeed to your heretic-hunting, and may the Holy Spirit bless you with even more snarky ways to belittle your brothers and sisters.
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17 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Thanks for trying to play the game, Jacob; we always like to encourage new players.

First of all, they set the tone. They are as snarky as they want to be and then whine when they cannot return serve. That’s just really feeble.

Second, when they go all potty-mouth and illiterate they call it a “passionate” response to an “ugly and messy” world. You would think that they would be the first to recognize others’ passions and allow them a place in this ugly and messy world.

But that doesn’t seem to happen, does it, Jacob?

Third, they are not brothers and sisters. They are not even distant cousins. The closest they come is to the animals that swung in the trees above our distant cousins.
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18 Comment from: Jacob [Visitor]
Nice strawman topped with an insult! Like I said...

If faith without works is dead faith, what is faith with hate?

Thanks for playing!
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19 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Another gutterball, Jake!

It’s not hate; it’s a refusal to call heretics siblings.

As for the hate, was it hate that prompted Jesus to use epithets like fox, generation of vipers and whited sepulchres?

You know, if you contact the Gideons, they'll send you a real Bible and you can throw away that knock-off that has you so confused about this religion.
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