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The Hollow Men

09/11/09

Permalink 06:12:12 am, by dissidens Email , 353 words, 762 views   English (US)
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The Hollow Men


Mistah Kurtz -- he dead.


     A penny for the Old Guy


     I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.


     II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer --

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom


     III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.


     IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.


     V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow

     For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow


     Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow

     For Thine is the Kingdom


For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

--- T. S. Eliot

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1 Comment from: Michael Riley [Visitor] Email · http://www.mpriley.com
Vincent Persichetti wrote a piece for trumpet and orchestra based on this poem. I had the opportunity to play it (with organ reduction of the orchestral part) for a recital.

http://www.lala.com/#album/72339069014810955
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
I'm familiar with the orchestral version, and I just found an MP3 for organ and narrator here:

http://fac.hsu.edu/bucknej/Media/Buckner%20Recordings.htm
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3 Comment from: Michael Riley [Visitor] Email · http://www.mpriley.com
Ah, thank you for the links. I had marked my music with the text of the poem; I'll be interested to see if my markings are similar to the narration here.
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4 Comment from: Joshua Allen [Visitor] Email
Such a masterpiece! All the very best masterpieces are based on the same story, like "Inferno", "Until We Have Faces", etc.

FWIW, I was always convinced that Nabokov's "Pale Fire" was a meta-commentary about "Hollow Men", but I seem to be alone in that conviction.

I've been thinking a lot about your discussions on beauty and kitsch in liturgy. Maybe we already have more than we need? I want to raise my daughter in such a way that she can appreciate T.S. Eliot, delight in the clever turns of phrase in Shakespeare, and be moved to tears by Psalms. We have immeasurable treasures already available (and the oldest are best -- I believe that's no accident), and the problem is in producing people who are capable of appreciating the treasures we've been given. Nothing we ever create will compare to the beauty of the Torah, the Psalms, Song of Songs, Gospels, etc. (even Eliot and Shakespeare are pale imitations compared to these). If people cannot be moved to tears by Psalms, it doesn't mean that we need to add something "more beautiful" to the liturgy to get them to come to church -- it just means that we need to work harder to inculcate an appreciation of true beauty. But that's just my thinking at the moment...
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5 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I really don’t think it is just a matter of being moved by the Psalms. Do you think we can use borrowed worship indefinitely? Or don’t we have to become complete worshipers ourselves?

Is it really a matter of comparing beauties? or is it a question of making our own offerings?
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6 Comment from: Joshua Allen [Visitor] Email
Is it really a matter of comparing beauties? or is it a question of making our own offerings?

Good questions. We probably cannot use borrowed worship indefinitely, since we seem to lose our ability to appreciate things as they fade into history. I think its absolutely proper to make relative judgments, and I'm still convinced that nothing new we create will ever stand up to the beauty of the old that we forgot how to appreciate. But guys like Eliot prove that it's still possible to make our own offerings that are pretty darned good.

Maybe this is just a statement about my own inadequacy. It's flattering when someone tells me, "You just expressed something I was feeling and didn't know how to express", and that happens from time to time. But I'm actually powerless to express the things I most want to express. Like the exact way that specific landscapes hit me (I've been obsessed with this since I was 10 years old, and just feel more powerless -- there is just no way to communicate some things in anything but pitiful shadows). Or like the way that God is good -- how many times I've tried to express what I know beyond a doubt, and it doesn't come through. Poetry, rhetoric, paints, film, etc. are all completely inadequate tools for expressing the things that you know the most.

When I was a kid, I could always tell myself "I'll be able to express beauty like that when I'm older, if I build up my skills". Now that I'm old, and still inadequate, such an outcome seems less likely. (I suppose I could redefine beauty and doodle comics for CT, but I somehow doubt that would really make me feel better). All I learned was to stand in awe at what the authors of Psalms did (and yes, of guys like Eliot and Lewis).
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7 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Well, I’m clearly not against comparing. Our very first post asked people to compare one sort of Christianity to another; an ancient faith to a modern expectation. I’ve incessantly compared Pärt, Bach, Crosby, Hamilton, Faber, Garlock…. Comparison is not only good, it is a natural way to learn and an essential way to communicate.

Metaphors are at the heart of art, and metaphors are comparisons. The controlling metaphor of The Hollow Men is the effigies of Guy Fawkes.

I was just asking about the conclusions you were drawing when you spoke of comparing our work to that of King David. In that sense, comparison really isn’t the issue. Expression is. We are expected to worship, not merely to quote someone else’s worship.

It seems to me that our first problem arises from a profound misunderstanding of what worship is. Worship is not just truth-telling. We can tell the truth about many things and demons can tell the truth. Worship is observation, admiration, articulation, expression. It is both a confession of what is true and adoration of it.

This is what we don’t have today.

We are going through a period of sheer banality, and the natural response of some is to continue the banal, thoughtless, meaningless repetitions but with slightly better doctrinal content. That is why we need to read Holloway, Kaplan, Eliot, Scruton…to reacquaint ourselves with what art does, where meaning comes from, why kitsch doesn’t work, why pop doesn’t ever work, why Gospel Quartets on Old-Fashioned Sunday are egregious counterfeits and the last calumny against God.
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8 Comment from: Joshua Allen [Visitor] Email
I was just asking about the conclusions you were drawing when you spoke of comparing our work to that of King David. In that sense, comparison really isn’t the issue. Expression is. We are expected to worship, not merely to quote someone else’s worship

Well, when David really wanted to worship, he ripped off his ephod in the most undignified manner, and pranced around naked like a drunken Irishman. His wife, Michal, made a judgment about whether or not it was an appropriate expression of worship, and despite keeping her judgment to herself, was punished.

The worship of the people in Nehemiah at the dedication of the wall in Jerusalem was also rather boisterous.

Obviously, the liturgy that King David put in place for the temple worship did not include such "holy raving", and in fact included a set of things which we continue to find aesthetically beautiful despite having recited them for a few thousand years. Presumably, even Michal would have approved of the aesthetics of the Psalms and other temple liturgy.

While lack of aesthetics does not prove authenticity of worship (i.e. "wave your socks in the air"), neither can authentic worship be subjected to aesthetic judgment. I believe that the discussion of aesthetics is primarily appropriate in the context of liturgy.

Liturgy is, by definition, worship that is quoted. If we're going to discard liturgy that worked in the past and go in search for "improvements", we need a much better excuse than "that is merely quoting someone else's worship". When a person can recite the Psalms, "Amazing Grace", or certain Eastern Orthodox liturgy (for example), without being moved -- it is the person who has room for improvement, not the liturgy.
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