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Another Evinjelicle Skoller

09/28/09

Permalink 05:58:55 am, by dissidens Email , 814 words, 911 views   English (US)
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Another Evinjelicle Skoller

It is very difficult to take religious people seriously; and I say that as a religious person. Fundamentalists, for example, tell me they are serious. Can you believe that? After reading their books and listening to their music? Surely evidence of seriousness could be detected in their art and literature. Can you take their claims as truthful?

I can't.

Now we hear from an evangelical who "hasn't completely resolved in his own thinking" the existence of a historical Adam. A guy by the name of Tremper Longman III is posing as a professor of literature and Old Testament and, much like another academic charlatan I know here in Dallas, is suggesting that he knows better than the Apostles and Fathers.

I think he's a twerp. He looks like a twerp for sure, he talks like a twerp with no lunch money, and just between us, he honestly reflects badly on masculinity everywhere. He regularly casts his argument in the most dishonest way and he invites us to indulge his skepticism. Well, I don't; and I think he's a twerp, as I say.

If you listen to this clown—and I use the word clown in a way that might be seen to reflect unfavorably on a lot of very good people who wear big shoes and a squirting boutonniere; and I do regret that—he posits his ideas by beginning with "a lot of people stumble with the creation account" or "a lot of people believe that Genesis 1 and 2 sort of insists..." or "many people have a picture of..."

I think if Tremper Longman III has any friends, they should schedule an intervention.

"A lot of people" believe a lot of unbelievable things. A lot of people believe believable things. The number of believers does not reflect at all on the truth (or the plausibility) of the belief. What a lot of people believe is not the basis for any argument worth considering.

A lot of people have seen Elvis Presley at their 7-11; a lot of people think that they can better sell their house if they bury a statue of St. Joseph in the back yard; a lot of people believe they will get rich by playing the lottery, a lot of people believe everything came from something over a long period of time and that that something came from nothing a short while before that; a lot of people believe space aliens abduct humans.... I personally believe that if aliens abducted Tremper Longman III, they would conclude from their extensive medical inquiries that he ought to be listed at the top of the column marked "TWERP".

Those of us who think Adam was a real man came to that conclusion by reading and by thinking. Some of us who believe Adam was a historical man can give twelve (or more) reasons for thinking Scripture justifies that belief. Tremper Longman III tells us we come to our conclusions by being programmed.

This is what passes for scholarship these days. These marginal intellects cannot distinguish an argument from an academic fad, and they cannot even detect a simple argumentum ad hominem when they use one.

A lot of people reading this post no doubt took offense at my calling Tremper Longman III a twerp. That's just not the proper way to dialog, is it? How can you fairly consider another man's ideas if you start by calling him a twerp and by suggesting he lacks masculine traits to a conspicuous degree?

Well, my answer is simple enough for Tremper Longman III to understand: I can consider the ideas of twerps just as fairly as he can consider the ideas of programmed believers. If Tremper Longman III wants to be thought an academic he should start talking like one.

I mention all this for a reason. I don't much care what uses Tremper Longman III puts his understanding of ancient near eastern literary forms to. There is something nefarious going on here, so it is worth our consideration. I'm not dismissing those who take Tremper Longman III to task for his shabby thinking.

But what interests me right now is this religious environment, the culture of our religion. As I was reminded again in Sunday School class yesterday: when we behave like Tremper Longman III or when we blame Finney for our deplorable worship, or when we misrepresent the motivations others have for adopting a certain form of worship, we are not thinking. We are not being academic or scholarly or erudite or learned or even intelligent. We are putting lipstick on a pig.

Ours really is a culture of disbelief. We love to think we are drawing rational conclusions when in fact we are just attaching facile rationalizations to our prejudices. We are not committed to truth, we are devoted to pretense.

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1 Comment from: Joshua Allen [Visitor] Email
So that's who Tremper Longman III is. I saw the name a few times, but never bothered reading further or following the links.

I'm more intrigued by the idea that, in the year 2009, a "scholar" could rise up and provide completely new and fresh evidence or previously unimagined insights about the historicity of Adam. I find *that* premise odd beyond belief. Based on the number of bloggers who linked favorably to Longman, there are many who see nothing odd about the idea.

A lot of this, IMO, is the result of a "progressive" mindset, where people have been indoctrinated to believe that everything that occurs in the future is "progress", so long as it is different from the past. It's taken as a basic assumption that we moderns are more enlightened, and less superstitious or simple-minded, than our ancestors. This mindset makes us more credulous of charlatans who pander to our pride and convince us that we're becoming progressively more enlightened.
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Josh:

I know that there are some who will leap to the conclusion that I disagree with Longman on principle. For the record, I think our understanding of the OT can be helped by a serious reading of ancient near eastern thought.

My strenuous objection is aimed at this shallow sort of misrepresentation aimed at relieving everyone of traditional or academically unpopular views. To suggest we’ve egregiously misunderstood the Apostles, Prophets and Moses because we don’t doubt the existence of Adam and Eve is just deceptive.

But again, and more relevant to our discussions here, it is important that we note the way these ideas are approached. The “hostile workplace” that’s been created shouldn’t go unnoticed, and for myself, I don’t think we ought to perceive a serious academic intent behind this sort of misbehavior.
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3 Comment from: threegirldad [Visitor] Email
Let me see if I can help. This explanation of Dr. Longman's comments should clear things right up.
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4 Comment from: Joshua Allen [Visitor] Email
@threegirldad: That "explanation" seems pretty incoherent to me, personally. Since he's simply "interpreting" the Bible to not mean what it clearly said, he's not really challenging it's inerrancy. Or maybe he's just saying that we shouldn't "insist" on "interpreting" it in a manner consistent with what it actually says. I see. That clears things right up.

I still haven't bothered to read/watch Longman, because I'm still not convinced that there is anything new here. I assume it's the same stupid, endless debate about "ha'adam really means mankind, bro" and "ZOMG! If evolution is right, the Bible isn't inerrant, since it says 'all men descended from Noah!', so MY FAITH IS SHOOK TO THE CORE! (Oh well, I guess that means I'm safe to watch porn, now)"
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5 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

3girldad:

Yes. The post (and comments) there do a better job of addressing ramifications of what Longman said. Some of what Pierce says clarifies, but not all. There are still huge problems to be resolved when you try to harmonize a glib view of Moses’ writing with the whole of Scripture. I can appreciate that. That’s why I say what I do about ANE literature and the OT. It should not all be dismissed out of hand.

Again my point has to do with how this is approached and the way we do theology. It helps no one to inspire suspicion by insinuating personal doubt or demonize people by suggesting they are excessively literalistic.

Whatever other problems might be resolved, that just doesn’t wash. And that’s what I’m on about.

I for instance don’t see this as an attack on literalism at all. I honestly do think there is great help in seeing the entire Pentateuch as more than history as we moderns understand history. I take it as a given that Moses’ contemporaries read the Torah more sensibly and more sympathetically than we do.

But insofar as we can appreciate this fact, it stands to reason that Longman should not have suggested otherwise by the way he approached the subject! He’s the one who said dismissive things about reading Genesis “in a very highly literalistic way”.

My point is limited to his way of doing business.
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6 Comment from: threegirldad [Visitor] Email
OK: Sarcasm FAIL. I agree with you (and Joshua) -- not with him (and Jeremy).

I found several of his comments patronizing and condescending.
PermalinkPermalink 09/28/09 @ 09:55

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7 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Sorry I didn't pick up on that.

I do think Pierce was trying to make a valid point though. I just wanted to make the distinction.
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8 Comment from: Frank Turk [Visitor] Email · http://centuri0n.blogspot.com
You should have just called him an egg-head. Everyone knows what an egg-head is, and they know that literalists hate them -- it would have made your complaint more tidy.

Now somebody has to think about what you just said. How can that be good?
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9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Yep; no good can come from that!

Some years ago I had reason to be going through the papers of a lot of fundamentalists. One pastor had written to Richard V. Clearwaters to correct something he’d said during the Colorado Conflict. (R.V. seems to have had a real gift for shaping his remarks to advance the fight rather than reflect the facts.) R.V. wrote back to concede the point but to argue that keeping it simple would produce a stronger opposition.

I had nothing but contempt for that attitude, and I think it goes a few furlongs to explain the subsequent demise of fundamentalism.


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