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Tribal Pieties

10/19/09

Permalink 06:01:23 am, by dissidens Email , 816 words, 805 views   English (US)
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Tribal Pieties

I was asked to revisit an idea that came up in a recent comment. A reader entirely innocently, and even to a point quite rightly, compared Emergents to Liberals. There are very good reasons to make that comparison, and I would even say that at some points it is commendable to make those similarities explicit.

Unfortunately similarity is not identity. It is clear that Emergents have pitched their tent toward Liberalism; there is a traceable lineage and a recognizable attitude that I'm not eager to dismiss. So if someone says, or if you have ever said, that Emergence is repackaged or renovated Liberalism, that doesn't land you in the sin bin. I would say we have no quarrel worth mentioning.

By the same token there are some pretty drastic differences between Emergence and Liberalism. Differences that should not be lost in the shuffle or we will handicap our own efforts at understanding.

To those who will still think this is an unproductive quibble, consider the profound differences between the Emergence and Liberalism.

It is true that Emergence and Liberalism have a similar contempt for Scripture, but recall that Liberals wanted to retain the moral essence of the Gospel even as they eviscerated the writings of the Evangelists. They were wrong, of course, and they failed. But what they failed at was preserving a religious sensibility during the collapse of a worldview. Who looks to Emergence to preserve a worldview? What worldview could survive deconstruction?

Some Liberals were devout men. Don't take my word for this: I didn't know them. But J. Gresham Machen knew them, studied under them, and had the utmost respect for some of them. Emergence hasn't produced any such people.

As for sympathies with the Enlightenment or appreciation of reason, listen to Jones and Pagitt on the topic of Plato. You will choke with laughter.

Liberals were nothing like Emergents. They didn't cuss like sailors, they didn't get pierced and tattooed like aborigines, they spoke the language of the church and they understood its symbols. They had a culture. They were not hell-bent on destroying Western virtues and they didn't offer us doggerel as liturgy.

Emergents don't want to preserve a moral essence at all; they want to impose a political agenda. Look at the leftist activist agenda that defines the McLaren and Jones blogs.

And we may call a Hindu squatting beside the Ganges devout; no one calls an Emergent devout. An Emergent is committed. And the only use Emergence has for the fruits of the Spirit is as a counter-accusation.

Emergents have nothing but contempt for any religious sensibility. They flaunt their contempt for and ignorance of culture. Emergents celebrate the destruction of all moral constraints, even those acceptable in secular society and in foreign religions. They clearly have no use for education except to gain social status.

Why is this important? Is this quibble worth the trouble? It may not be, as I called it, a quarrel worth mentioning, but it may nevertheless be a distinction worth maintaining.

I think it is. I think so because of the obvious difference between people who preserve religious sensibilities and those who destroy them. People who want to maintain the moral essence of a religion are better than those who don't. People who want to inculcate moral sensibilities are superior to those who merely push a temporal and carnal agenda. Respect for culture is good and contempt for culture is perverse.

The difference between these things does not get you into Heaven or keep you out, but real Christians are interested in more than getting people into Heaven; there is a long list of good things the church ought to be preserving while it evangelizes the world. People who read the New Testament respectfully have picked up on that fact.

For thousands of years, actually.

I think these things are especially important because of our times. We live with people who can't define anything. We cannot distinguish between different things; we cannot compare like things.

Movements cannot declare their beliefs. Fundamentalism cannot define itself, and Evangelicalism is a totally useless word: if you use it you have to tell people what you mean and what you don't mean. What does justice mean any more? One Emergent told us justice means not flushing a toilet! What does holiness mean? What is Art? What is worship? How do we provide community? What is the eschaton? What is the meaning of the Incarnation? What is the Christian hope?

I do think that the first step toward reform is to recover the habit of using the right words to say the right things. If we had a fixed, common understanding of any of those italicized words in the previous paragraph, no one would be giving Emergence a second look.

As it now is, these words have only tribal definitions, and that is the confusion we cannot encourage.

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1 Comment from: the divine passive [Visitor] Email
I see Emergents writing stuff like this:

http://www.ivpress.com/cgi-ivpress/book.pl/code=2738

and liberals writing stuff like this:

http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item.jsp?clsid=189124&productgroupid=0&isbn=0800660013

and I wonder where the comparison between the two groups comes from. They may have started with similar assumptions about the veracity of the Scriptures, but their paths in life never seem to intersect.
PermalinkPermalink 10/19/09 @ 12:27

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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Well, for one thing, the Emergents themselves have cultivated the impression. (E.g., when jonytones says that he is born again every day, he is not speaking the language of evangelicalism, he is speaking the language of someone who has not read the Gospels, someone who hasn’t thought very long about Jesus’s distinction between flesh and spirit, someone who has missed Peter’s point about being born again to a living hope. I mean, how much of Christianity can one understand if he hasn’t grasped the words of Jesus or St. Peter?!) Granted Emergents don't speak intelligently, but the more intriguing part to me is the natural reflex of the orthodox.

They are braced for denials from Modernism; those denials and their reaction is what defined them. They seem to think their enemies will always look the same.

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3 Comment from: the divine passive [Visitor] Email
I guess my musings were more practical: liberals occasionally write insightful, useful books. Emergents could be useful for ballast or fill, or perhaps to frighten children, but I haven't figured out anything else. They don't even do the good works they want everyone else to do: liberals tended to be somewhat more conscientious about that sort of thing. I'm not saying "bring back liberalism," I'm saying "emergents could learn some things about apostasizing convincingly."

Perhaps you've found the best use for them in running them up the flagpole as a warning to dullards.
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4 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

dp:

No, I agree with what you’re saying. I think they are failures at everything: art, literature, dance, philanthropy, scholarly writing, film, certainly apologetics…. They are posers, hacks and dilettantes of the first water.

And my point is not to say that one has to be a Carnegie or Michelangelo or a Rachmaninoff or a Chesterton to be a good Christian, I’m saying that they could not have lasted as a movement if there weren’t a larger gullible religious community that couldn’t tell art from refrigerator scribbles. The first step in contextualizing the Gospel is to understand the cultural context. They don’t.

We can’t fix Emergence; I think we should look to see how the expectations got so low that Emergents weren’t just laughed from the room.

“Being a pottymouth is not a spiritual gift, dearie, and art is more than self-promotion.”

It is my personal opinion that we should have treated them, and should still treat them, as Jesus treated the Pharisees: not just by confronting and confounding them but making them a negative example to on-lookers.

As you say: run them up the flagpole.
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5 Comment from: Christian [Visitor] Email · http://onepilgrimsprogress.wordpress.com
Dissidens,

I don't have a lot of time to respond now, but I appreciate your thoughts here. My previous comment was a bit of a broad brush designed to simply point out the similarities in how they handle scripture and that both operate from a position of unbelief.

I am admittedly no expert on the emergents, but I also hear them making noises from time to time that echo the social gospel. Neither movement (if emergent is a movement at all) arose in a vacuum and both reflect their times. One could also make unflattering comparisons with today's "New Athiests" and someone like Robert Ingersoll.

It appears that the point you're making is to a large extent the difference between modernism and postmodernism, a point that has been made many times but a distinction that wasn't reflected in my previous drive-by comment.

You're quite right that the old liberals (i.e. those of the early 20th century fundamentalist-modernist controversy) were anxious to preserve what they thought of at the time as biblical morality, even thought they regarded much of the Bible as myth. To a large extent they were the products of the Victorian Age and had views on some issues that would be considered puritanical or perhaps prudish today. They were all for things like prohibition, which you allude to with the reference to legislation. Even today some older religious liberals are staunch opponents of things like legalized gambling, often out of what could be termed paternalistic motives. By comparison, there are some evangelicals who apparently don't have much of a problem with it.

This hit home for me when I saw a reprint of an old book by Harry Emerson Fosdick offered by either the Conservative or Christian Book Club about 10 years ago. If I recall correctly, it was a book that included his teachings on a number of what appeared to be essentially moral or practical issues. It proves the point you've made but also proves a point about modern conservatism (another word that is just about worthless today) whether ecclesiastical or political.

I'm thinking however that you would agree that while what the old liberals attempted was perhaps imaginable once they accepted higher criticism while being faced with the burden of upholding Western Civilization, that the failure of liberalism was also very imaginable. Cast aside the Bible as authoritative and what are you left with? Traditional views or prejudice that will be gone in a generation or two because they cannot be accounted for otherwise.

While I am certainly no admirer of Karl Marx, I am thinking the case of the old liberalism and the emergents is perhaps an illustration of Marx's saying that history repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. (Marx was referring to Napoleon Bonaparte and Napoleon III.)
PermalinkPermalink 10/20/09 @ 21:32

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6 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Well, I wouldn’t necessarily even say your comment was “broad brush”. To most, broad brush suggests simplistic, tendentious and hostile. What you say is true but partial, and the part it leaves out is pretty significant. And I think the left-out part is equally instructive.

We should be getting smarter, not just more reflexive.

Emergence will pass off the scene—if it hasn’t already started. It certainly is shabbily led. But it will pass off the scene in the same way that Modernism and Fundamentalism have passed off the scene. They are not gone; it’s just that they are no longer attractive. You will still find a shrinking number of defenders of an idea who still scramble for a sympathetic ear, but they’ve clearly lost their vitality. They live in dark corners no one wants to visit anymore.

What follows Emergence is something I think we should be prepared to address, and to do that we need to understand its continuities with its past (which will include Emergence) and its discontinuities (which will be those elements that strike us immediately as novel and “insightful”). Whether it continues to use “relevance” and contextualization as its pretext remains to be seen. I’m tempted to think Fundamentalism, Evangelicalism, and Emergence have ridden that horse to death, but that might be a temptation worth resisting.

What follows Emergence may not be quite so feeble-minded. I’m hoping that we can scrape together enough thoughtful people next time and we won’t have to rely on our continuing tribal reflexes.
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