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Emergence Is Not Just For Laughs, Though Laughs There Will Be

11/06/09

Permalink 05:41:10 am, by dissidens Email , 741 words, 591 views   English (US)
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Emergence Is Not Just For Laughs, Though Laughs There Will Be

10. Start to seriously question everything, especially your theology and your ideas of what church and ministry is. Let your theology deconstruct, realizing that much of what we are taught and have learned endorses power, authority and control, and is contrary to freedom. Begin to discover what the truth is for yourself. Your search, it is promised, will not go unrewarded.

---David Hayward

Some people think I have way too much fun at the expense of emergents. [My wife holds to a variant of this view: she thinks I have way too much fun period!] And I have to agree that in the religious world right now, Emergence is probably the funniest thing going. There is nothing funny about Fundagelicalism anymore; and there isn't going to be anything funny about it until fundagelicals can figure out what they believe. Until fundamentalists agree on what they are separating from, they cannot be funny. And until evangelicals agree on what the euangelion is, they cannot be funny either. They can be only pathetic and desperate.

Emergents can still be funny because they are not yet desperate: their naïveté makes them oblivious to the absurdity of their errors. They think they are going somewhere very fast, but they keep not getting there. That's genuinely funny.

Take Dave Hayward's statement above. Tell me that's not hilarious.

But I'm not in this just for the giggles, I'm also up for a little instruction, and Emergence is quite instructive. In fact, it would not be unfair to say that I am not as much amused by Emergence as a cause as I am intrigued by Emergence as an effect.

Fundagelicalism made some serious errors, and we knew when it made those errors there was going to be a price to pay. When fundagelicals fell off the pot that was on top of the stool that was on top of the laundry basket that was on top of the ladder that was on the top of the table...we knew it would leave a mark.

Emergence is that mark.

Once Fundagelicals swapped truth (which is eternal) for plausibility (which is ephemeral) it was only a matter of time before their children would be chasing the wind.

Mark Galli thinks that by pursuing "commitment" evangelicalism can rid itself of nominalism, and that doesn't even make sense on paper.

Tremper Longman III is embarrassed by a historical Adam. He thinks Adam's central rôle in our theology is just a result of "programming".

I sat under another troupe of grifters from Dallas Theological Seminary which was more interested in distancing itself from Young Earth Creationism than it was in a genuine understanding of the first three chapters of Genesis. Ironically, at the very moment it was engaged in this chancel farce, useful inquiries were being made into Darwinism.

So what the Church once believed was fact Evangelicals now hold to be metaphor. Unfortunately for everyone, these losers cannot share with us the tenors and vehicles of their metaphors. They not only assault faith, they debase metaphor! It's like listening to Danielle Shroyer talk about story.

Extremely disappointing.

So Emergence should not surprise us. Christianity has been a culture of disbelief for quite some time now. David Hayward flatters himself to think he is prepared to question everything, but we know he won't. He won't question his own competence—in spite of the fact he has practical reason to do just that. He will not question his own intelligence, evidence notwithstanding. He will not question his own premises. I mean what rational person in the 21st Century can really believe that "what we learned about theology" (how's that for a convenient ambiguity?) serves only to endorse power, authority and control?

I suspect there are more people who believe in martians than there are people who believe all theology and church and ministry are priests' grab for power, authority and control.

It's fascinating that Hayward's advice comes in a convenient list of ten things. The first step in deconstructing your church is:

1. First of all, you have to really want to. It has to be an inner necessity.

I wonder if Dave will start at the beginning and question his will or his inner needs? I wonder if questioning all theology, church and ministry can possibly be grounded on something as rock-solid as any individual's wants and needs.

In the meantime, I'd like to question his psychiatrist.

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1 Comment from: lilrabbi [Visitor] Email
And I'm sure the psychiatrist would like to have a crack at you. And I'm sure I'd like to see it!
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

HA!

PSYCHIATRISTS!


I question psychiatry. I question therapy. I question healing. I let psychiatry deconstruct realizing that what psychiatry teaches endorses power, authority, and control. Psychiatry is contrary to freedom and mental well-being. I discover for myself what mental health is.

PSYCHIATRISTS!

HA!


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3 Comment from: Sofros [Visitor] Email
Are you sure you aren't Jay Adams in disguise?
PermalinkPermalink 11/07/09 @ 09:07

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4 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Mercy me, No. Adams is a compromiser!

I don’t even like the word counsel; it suggests an opinion one person shares with another. I don’t have opinions, I have convictions.

When I share my convictions with people they hardly ever leave saying, “Well, thanks for the counsel”.
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5 Comment from: David Hayward (aka nakedpastor) [Visitor] Email · http://nakedpastor.com
You're right. I stand corrected concerning #10. I should have written that we need to question all of our theology and reject all that which endorses power, etc... not necessarily reject all of it.

I quite often remind my readers that everything I say is falsifiable. It is difficult to submit statements.

As to the psychiatrist, I haven't been able to find a good one.
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6 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Sorry you have no psychiatrist, Dave: it completely slipped my mind that you are a Canada Health Act sufferer.

And now that you mention it, I for one don’t think all your statements are falsifiable. I think your statements are, as a definitive rule, nonsensical, and we learned in school that nonsense statements are hard to falsify.
All mimsy were the borogoves, and the mome raths outgrabe.
We can neither verify nor falsify that statement, and so long as you continue to publish your jabberwocky, I think you ought to feel pretty invincible on the falsifiability front.
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7 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email
P.S. All worms don't go to Heaven; only elect worms go to Heaven.

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8 Comment from: exlibris [Visitor] Email
I love amateur night at the Postmodern Improv. It allows everyone to observe that they didn't read Foucault and Derrida long enough to figure out that those who wish to deconstruct others of their power plays are in the midst of one themselves. So, that rhetorical device to spur on deconstruction really seems to lose steam when people begin to understand that ethically the deconstructor is on no better footing than the deconstructed.
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9 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I seriously doubt these people read Foucault and Derrida.

I question whether they read Strunk & White.
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10 Comment from: Todd Mitchell [Visitor] Email · http://www.firstbaptistgranitefalls.org
I'm quoting you in my afternoon sermon tomorrow from, "Fundagelicalism made some serious errors" to "chasing the wind." It fits perfectly with 2Ti 4:3-4 and with what we've been learning in The Abolition of Man and Ideas Have Consequences.

Thanks.

Todd

P.S. The concert in St. Louis, MO by the Tenebrae Choir was sublime.
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11 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Ah. Use it in good health.

And thanks for the P.S. links!

Is not the human voice a sublime instrument for worship?
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12 Comment from: Todd Mitchell [Visitor] Email · http://www.firstbaptistgranitefalls.org
It is indeed, and Nigel Short understands the sublime very well.

One thing about this side discussion of the human voice is tangentially related to your post. As a boy I grew up as a good little nominalist, with the Handy Dandy Evolution Refuter on my shelf. Dad had a master's in electrical engineer; Mom had a bachelor's in Chemistry. I went on to get a degree in Chemistry, myself.

Anyway, there was a strange manifestation of my rationalism when it came to music. (At least, I attribute it to my rationalism, though I may need to tidy my categories, here.) I can distinctly remember my distaste for vocal music. I loved Bach, as long as there was no singing. I would turn NPR off sometimes when voices suddenly followed the orchestra. It wasn't precise enough for my rationalist mind -- it seemed too sloppy. It was like loving photographs for their stark precision, but hating oil paintings for their brush strokes.
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13 Comment from: BLT [Visitor]
I remember sitting under the teaching of the one you call Sardonis. Before class began, we frequently had to sing "Alas and Did My Savior Bleed" and I didn't like referring to myself as a worm even though it was apt. Boy, naked pastor sure knows how to ruin good imagery.

But at the same time his cartoon places him in the same camp as a large, influential fundagelical church in PA Amish country that thinks it's funny to mock imagery in hymns. One of their pastors, during his "bash the hymns" persuasive speech referred to the phrase "here I raise my Ebenezer" and asked "Why are we singing about Scrooge?" [snicker, snicker]. He thought he was being funny and clever, just like the naked pastor.
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14 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I recall times like those under the same guy.

They were never aesthetically moving experiences, but that was due to the incompetence of the singers and--to some degree--the fault of the available repertoire. It was not until the break-up of the Soviet Union and we could get our hands on the singing out of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra that it struck me how defective our seminaries were.

Imagine the assembled exegetes ending the day’s translation to the sound of something like this.

http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/kyrivseminary-lavra/ [#21]
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15 Comment from: BLT [Visitor]
Thanks for the link. I've recently talked with someone from Belarus whose spouse is from Ukraine. Perhaps I could befriend them and maybe learn the language of such reverential music.
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16 Comment from: nakedpastor [Visitor] Email · http://nakedpastor.com
Beautiful (the Kiev seminary choir)! One of my favorite composers is Arvo Pärt (Estonian), especially Te Deum.
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17 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Pärt (and others as well) ought to be a lesson to us: we cannot create meaning (and beauty) for ourselves. We find meaning by “getting in line”, by taking what we have been given by our betters, internalizing it, loving it, being changed by it, and then speaking from the heart. Our youth will hear this and we will have "conserved" something.

In this respect emergence and fundamentalism are indistinguishable; one chases today’s vapors, the other chases yesterday’s.
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