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Into, Through, And Beyond Emergence

02/12/10

Permalink 12:46:51 pm, by dissidens Email , 554 words, 5432 views   English (US)
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Into, Through, And Beyond Emergence

This is an interesting time for Emergence or Emergent Church or post-modernism or post-orthodoxy. I guess the name historians will put to this little episode may depend on their sense of humor.

For a while emergents could pretend that their critics didn't get it. Guys like Carson, MacArthur, Mohler, Sproul, and Wells just didn't understand our times; not like these wunderkinder understood our times.

Turns out that when the Church Basement Roadshow bus ran out of gas, it was something of a metaphor. Not even those schooled in strategic foresight saw what was coming.

Actually, the movement has been out of gas for quite some time. People have drifted off, blogs went dead, posts were vacated, promises were made, complaints were aired, affirmations were offered, moments of excitement were occasionally reported, energy was up (we were told)...and nothing continued happening at a pretty fast clip.

But now certain internal voices are raising questions about this "conversation", and asking questions of Emergence is very different from asking questions of Evangelicalism. If you questioned Evangelicalism you were creative and imaginative, if you question Emergence you are fearful and unloving.

...Brian McLaren said in a video that those of us who take them and others to task are held in bondage to fear and thoroughly un-loving; my motivation for analyzing the theology and beliefs of leaders within the emerging church is fear-based and inherently un-love. One word: ridiculous. I am not fearful; this has nothing to do with fear. In fact, the loving thing to do is in fact confront, prod, and question.

Jeremy Bouma says nothing doing, he ain't no scaredy cat, he's confronting, prodding and questioning. You ought to take a peek at Bouma's theological musings. It might be worth getting his take on it. He came into, passed through and has gone beyond. You might say he is one of the few who've actually emerged from the other side.

Mike Morrell, our own dim-witted futurist, sat down and placed a lot of words end to end pretty much in a random fashion so as to put a smileyface on all this. He's linked to quite a few—what should we call them?—judgments of the work of Brian McLaren. Some of them borrow quite heavily from the Emergent style handbook, if you know what I mean: you might not want to click on those links if an impressionable child is at your elbow.

If you go down his post about three screens or so, you will find three links. One is calling McLaren a true son of Lucifer (an insult I can't imagine Lucifer finds flattering), the third one I won't repeat, and Mike tells us that he left "some of the worst ones out".

Yikes. Blogging in the way of Jesus.

Mike ends his post with this whimper:

May all of us - missional and emergent, evangelical and mainline, Catholic and Pentecostal, gay and straight, deconstructionist and Radically Orthodox - fling ourselves upon the Throne of Grace and mercies of the Father, Son, and Spirit, one God, who alone saves and restores.

Amen?

Well, we'll see, Mike, but I don't think that's a throne, I believe that's just one of those ratty emergent couches.

Maybe it's just time for another rummage sale.

What are you guys asking for Pagitt's trombone?

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1 Comment from: Joshua Allen [Visitor] Email
Wow, Mr. Pye is quite a find. Not a bad writer, if a bit snarly.

I also stumbled on a video about "cosmic mass" from zoecarnate, and it ruined my weekend.
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2 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I'm guessing Mr. Pye has a vocabulary to capture the emergent imagination and the will to tell them what they don't want to hear.

The cosmic mass was a hoot, no?
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3 Comment from: a hungry soul [Member] Email
Welcome back! I was beginning to fear you were out playing in the snow. :)
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4 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Thanks.

It was kinda like play. Parts of the metroplex got 12 inches of snow, some trees broke open, some carports bent over, some lost electricity, I lost cable.

This morning North Texas looked more like Aspen than anyone would believe possible. Over ten years in Texas and I never saw it snow all day long.

I think I saw a woolly mammoth in my alley.

I just hope we can get this global warming under control soon.
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5 Comment from: John G [Visitor] Email
If they don't hurry and fix this global warming, we are all going to freeze to death!

Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Blessings
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6 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Bring back the mastodon!
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7 Comment from: lilrabbi [Visitor] Email
I'm beginning to wonder if we haven't jinxed the place and brought our maladies with us.
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8 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

How so?
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9 Comment from: Jim W [Visitor] Email
After reading Mr Bouma's thoughts, I find I don't have too many issues with him. I'm glad he's finally realized what a vipers nest Emergent really is. Some of the commenters on his blog-Yikes! They prove the previous sentence. As they speak so winsomly of "conversation" and deep relationships they have the gall to vilify people like Ken Silva as they praise a heretic like Brian McClaren. What a bunch.
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10 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

I don’t know. I must concede that I enjoy considerable benefits (being a churchrat), but all that notwithstanding…

Bouma strikes me as unforgivably naïve. I cannot believe a minimally educated person could ever think the post-modern wheeze was intellectually legitimate, that emergent theology was defensible, that its leaders were credible, or that the movement’s public face was ever presentable.

I say all that to say that Bouma seems a bit dim; it’s like he never read serious books, like he slept through school and church, like he doesn’t perceive how advertising and marketing works, like he never listened to politicians dissemble…. But having said that, I think he is right about one thing: probably the most important thing.

Previous generations seem to have no clue as to how profoundly unpersuasive they were, how unattractive their culture was and how desperate the young are to find something to move their souls.

I think that emergence has been an opportunistic disease: it could never have threatened a healthy organism.

I think that ought to concern everyone. Even when Emergence is laughed from the room, the more serious threat will survive.
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11 Comment from: lilrabbi [Visitor] Email
Blizzards and all.
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12 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Oh, nahhh.

You came only to Texas; they had snow in Louzyanna. Rumor has it that there was snow in all the states.

No, I think this is more a sign of The End Of Time and the total collape of the gloval environment of which Al Gore spoke so persuasively.
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13 Comment from: Jim W [Visitor] Email
Oh, I agree that Bouma et al are naive and some are certainly dim. But, I think all of us have been through periods of stupidity. I know I certainly did my best to send myself to Hell. Probably, the major difference is that I didn't try to disguise my stupidity as a new kind of christianity, it was full-blown paganism-and I was well aware of that. It seems like everyone has to experience their own idiocy and grow out of it-with God's help-acknowledging that it is strictly and only with God's help that we finally do escape the cesspits we put ourselves into. If we never recognize our need for salvation we'll continue in our delusions, Doug Pagitt-like.
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14 Comment from: dissidens [Member] Email

Well, I take your point; but I’m not saying any of us are too good or too smart to end up in Hell. I’m saying that of the many paths there are to Hell, I can’t see many that are as daffy or implausible as Emergence.

I mean, at what level does Emergence succeed? As philosophy? as theology, as a historical critique? as cultural renaissance? as social justice?

I just can’t see any of these appeals as plausible. If I were a genuine peace activist, if I were an environmentalist, if I were a Marxist, I would be laughing just as hard as I am as a Christian.

Over on Tim King’s blog he’s been blathering on about his peace mission to the Middle East: you read his pontifications and all you see is the tired, old PLO line. I mean, Tim, for Heaven’s sake, Arafat is dead. Let’s move on!

I can see dead-enders like Pagitt and Burke and Makeesha and Morrell riding it for the brass ring, but Bouma suggests there is more here to learn from.
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15 Comment from: Jim W [Visitor] Email
I certainly agree with everything you say. I hadn't caught that Bouma still thinks there may be hope for Emergence.
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